lvl 50 RvR is (while not yet dead) dying.
OF was chosen over NF (this happened before i started playing here)
Thid has essentially instant ports, while emain has 4(alb/mid) and 7(hib)
4L2 is high enough RR to gain a few bare essential realm abilities.

I have 1 lvl 49 alb toon, and 2 otw to 49 in hib. I wont lvl these toons to 50 almost entirely because the thid RvR setup is far supperior to the OF RvR setup in the following ways:

no down time.
realistic hiding places to avoid larger groups/zergs
no down time.
no down time.
no RR10 fg's mowing me and my friends down for fun.
no down time.

I get almost all the same abilities I'd have @ 50, I have my essential RA's (granted not alotta toys, but no one else does either o.O) I have a lvl 50 sc'd template w/ capped everything. Why would i EVER even THINK about emain-rvr where im guaranteed huge wait times, higher RR's rolling over me, and NEVER ever ever ever getting a reasonable 1v1 or 1v2 or even 1v3 situation?

I will regret making this post tomorrow, I'm sure. but it has to be said. You folks talk about all kinds of stuff to 'fix RvR' and 'promote RvR' and I've yet to read a thread that deals with the actual problem:

THID IS MORE FUN.

FUN = MORE PLEASURE AND LESS PAIN.

In other words, less time standing around on the pad waiting to port, doing NOTHING except thinking about how we'll never beat those RR10 mids, and hoping we dont lose half the group and have to spam /lfg or /broad for 30 minutes to fill up again, only to be certainly rolled by the same FG/zerg and repeat the process, all the while not gaining the rps/RR that would make it possible to beat said team. (disclaimer: mid is simply the hated realm as i have hibs and albs. die middies <3)

I would like to reitterate my point. there is only 10% population in emain/odins/hadrians BECAUSE:

Thid is more fun.

Back in the day, when caledon was the final BG and capped @ RR2 and lvl 35, if you went further, your only choice for RvR was lvl 50 emain. Didn't matter if you liked it or not. You want to play that toon more? Go to emain and tough it out.

Now, since Thid eliminate port times, excessive RR descrepancies, AND allows for very-close-to-your-ideal-lvl-50 spec, it has all the pleasure and none of the pain.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM. ELIMINATE THID AND ELIMINATE YOUR PROBLEM.

I know that I for 1 would chose to lvl my toons to 50 and suffer through the OF issues to continue playing them. That being said, until that happens, I WILL CHOSE THE FUN WAY>>> and stay in thid forever. A game is a game and not a job and certainly not a voluntary ritualistic torture cerimony. Games were created as a means to have fun. You want to know why featuers aren't be utilized to their fullest, simply trace it back to the most basic of all human emotions: pain and pleasure. Either increase emain pleasure while removing the pain, or eliminate the pain-free-pleasure-fest that is Thid.

much love! <3<3<3

P.S. I should be given a box of cookies for my good looks IMO.

as said in another post:

you can't /rp off on uthgard

so once you hit 4L2 you are forced into 50 rvr

in some points i definitly agree. that ppl prefer the bg rvr was always a problem of uth rvr.
lvl char xy, have fun in bg and after reach rr cap delete it and lvl new one. u mabye can even take the sc armor of ur old char ;D bg rvr has ofc some advantages u showed us, and i also dislike that long downtimes in emain.
but it always depends on the ppl that do rvr, and what they expect of it.
get a lvl 49 char with cap sc to thid. and what now? ofc u can gank some noob grps solo, but thats not what many ppl expect of rvr. in of u wont encounter those issues. u wont (most of the time) fight vs ppl without sc or vs green enemies. so ur personal playing skill has much more influence of ur succuess than sc and lvl.
ofc there is still a difference in the realm rank, and fighting a rr10 with rr4 might be like fighting a lvl 60 char, but u still got more chances to beat them as in real lvl 43 vs lvl 49 sc'ed fights where u are just 2-hit.

furthermore there are most of the time more player in emain than in thid. so if there is some high rr guild group out and ur realm got just some random players, u can still try to engage them by numbers.
for example an anguish guild grp vs some rr4 pug is ofc not fair, this has nothing to do with 8v8 or not. and i dont think (or hope atleast) that ganking rr4 pugs is what gg's expect of rvr. its more like fighting other gg's or - if there are only pugs out - fight vs 10 enemies or handling an addergrp that joins the fight after 20 secs.

but that are just my 2c for of>thid.

i think just removing thidranki wont make ppl play more in emain. u cant force ppl to join lvl 50 rvr. they would rather concentrate on wilton rvr than rly joining of rvr ;D

its all about incorporating new ppl to emain rvr. unfortunatly many ppl are tired of telling new ppl again and again what to do and go hand in hand with the thought that daoc is like 8 years old and ppl, that dotn figguered it out so far what daoc is like are just lost. many ppl rly just start up daoc and uthgard! and they dont know what to do exactly like the so called progamer, when they started daoc some years ago.

on uthgard is a rvr active guild/ally rly important. founding a guild with ur friends without alliance wont help u to join of rvr. u need some kind of organisation. in thidranki u maybe can ae invite all ppl standing in the tk. but in emian, a grp with 3 paladins will fail most of the time. so u can wait in the tk till some spam in the lfg chan rly calls the class u play - or get some organisation on ur own with ur guild/alliance.

@nixian: u maybe didnt get it. thats what the problem about. u r not forced to join of rvr after hitting 4l2. u just delete that char and lvl a new toon to do rvr in thid again.

ps: i got some cookies for u, hf :p

Harting I know you can delete and reroll, but tbh I don't understand why people would do that once they get to 49.999

I can understand it with brae but not with thid

also the issues with "fastfood BG action" could easy be fixed by making people spawn in DL/SF/CS when they die instead of inside the BG - this would also prepare them to OF

I totally agree with you Keyz.

But the answer to our problems can be twofold.
Either eliminating thid, or eliminating OF problems.

Now, which would you rather eliminate?

I for one would rather keep the fun part (thid) and try to fix OF with some measures that have already been stated for like a gazillion times already.

And for all those ppl who voted OF, why don't I see you all in RvR now?

But no biggie. Mistakes are a vital part of learning. As long as you learn from yours.
So, lets just add instant porters and keep only a few OF maps, custom fix the NF RAs and whatnot, and get the fun started again.

Hope that such a compromise helps both sides, wile not ruining the fun and making people leave this server.

@nixian:like the thread creater said. in thidranki u try to simulate lvl 50 rvr since u got most of the important styles/spells and ra's.
ofc u have to spend much time to create a new lvl 49 toon. but if that time is rly worth it for the ppl, of has to seem terrible to them.

but increasing down time in bg is definitly not the right way.
one of the reason why they port timer wont be reduced is that staff expects some kind of communication between the old high rr players and the new ones. but the reallity is that the ppl just go afk and doing some other stuff and check daoc every 5 mins.
since of was released on uth, i always play 2 games on the same time. on the one hand daoc, when my grp leaves tk. on the other hand some offline game for the time i wait on the porter or wait in tk for player that joined my grp but isnt yet in of...

I've been doing some Thid RvR lately and I've come to the conclusion, that Lvl 50 RVR is way better.

Why?
-It's not really possible to get a decent fullgroup of Albs, because PVE seems more important to them. (Never ever had a Sorc in my Group, Clerics are quite rare too )
-80% of the fights either take place in the ck or the bridges, which is extremely annoying playing a cleric. Which leads me to the next point: most people you group with are dumb. They run behind corners, try to rupt the ****** of casters Hibs are running at the moment, etc.
-Once a realm gets the CK it's camping time. RVR will be dead for your group, if you dont fight them at CK. And well, try that...
- IF a enemy group roams and you manage to kill them twice, they will be gone for exp. Same for your group. You get killed and people start leaving.


One good point in Thid is, that smallman RVR is quite nice by nighttime/in the morning. But thats the only positive aspect for me.

In my eyes BGs are just annoying and frustrating. My BM left Thid with 3L0 and my Healer with 3Lx. My Cleric is 3L5 at the moment and I really have to force myself to 4Lx.

I guess BGs are just not the same as End-RVR for me. Enjoy Thidranki, while I'll enjoy Emain RVR (which can be frustrating too ofc. )

Thid is around 700% more fun. And if you're a soloer, OF is not even worth comparing to.

Nymeros wrote:Thid is around 700% more fun. And if you're a soloer, OF is not even worth comparing to.

Confirmed.

@Keyz: I agree, check my topic in general english forum.

This has probably been asked before but why were those battlegrounds implemented as they are right now? Why don't we have the four battlegrounds that used to be on live after 1.60?

Lintu wrote:

Nymeros wrote:Thid is around 700% more fun. And if you're a soloer, OF is not even worth comparing to.

Confirmed.

*cough* PVE *cough* tons of chars *cough*

People prefer Thidranki because its more fun...
How can ANYONE ask to remove the most funny party of Uthgard?

I played my SB in Thidranki , and it was great, sometimes a little empty, but very funny most of the time. But i'm 4L2 now, and stopped to play my SB, because Emain was (compared to Thidranki) absolutely awful.

I started another Char, which will soon be ready for Thidranki.

Sveya wrote:People prefer Thidranki because its more fun...
How can ANYONE ask to remove the most funny party of Uthgard?

I played my SB in Thidranki , and it was great, sometimes a little empty, but very funny most of the time. But i'm 4L2 now, and stopped to play my SB, because Emain was (compared to Thidranki) absolutely awful.

I started another Char, which will soon be ready for Thidranki.

the right opinion uthgard needs to make OF awesome

Lintu wrote:

Nymeros wrote:Thid is around 700% more fun. And if you're a soloer, OF is not even worth comparing to.

Confirmed.

Here is the bottom line: I understand why Thid exists as lvl 44-49. i LIKE Thid. alot. i DONT want it removed. but that IS the solution.

Either that or make people stand on pad and wait for port in the bg's. (another idea i despise... but it would work.)

See,, the whole concept of portal pads encourages people to form as close to an unbeatable team as possible before venturing out because NO ONE [staff read: zero of your player base] ENJOYS standing around doing nothing for ANY amount of time... even 30 seconds. waste. This isn't just true for RvR... ask any hib tank why they would take a lowbie bard along for PvE: zero downtime. To most people the DOWNTIME is the enemy, not the middies or hibbies or albs.

Now, dont' get me wrong... I had no experience playing here pre-OF so i dont know what it was like or how the portal systems worked however, i can state with absolute certainty that a LOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGG boring portal cerimony WILL motivate people to either form zergs or quit if for no other reason than standing around doing nothing is BORING.

Why is small group/solo RvR dying=>dead? because people would rather zerg (which very few people actually enjoy) than stand around on the pad.

so: if you wanna fix 50 RvR, the solution is simple: insta portals (or maybe even 30 second portals) to the PK's and emain/odins/hadrians border for their respective realms. Since this will never happen, the only other solution is to remove thid. end of list.