What's about 8vs8 on Uthgard?

First of all, i'm sorry for bad eng

After this evening, if possible, please, i want' know what's the rvr who want to play on Uthgard.
When i start to play on this shard, on june, really nice and really long fights gank vs gank without adds,

i have be spectator of a lot of fights, and i have learn much only stay seening mode on top of hills.

What's happened at end of holydays?

Do i must think when OF coming, there i'll be an Emain zerg vs zerg?
Do i start to lvl up a ranger for solo playing or renew my witchhunter on WAR?

If you like the game style of this evening, there is not problems for me, it's a good moment for try new generation of MMORPG as Aion, Spellborn or others...

cy on melee

Dunno what server you've been playing on but adding has been around since...forever.

There's this vicious circle messing with some of us. Solos will interfere with 8v8 fights because they get steamrolled by big groups and vice versa.
There are groups/soloers who play fair but just accept the fact that 3 fights out of 4 on this server will not be fair.

now 800 players

on june 600...

i think much peaple can make a description of agramon before august. I don't think i come from a dream or illusion as you say.

You can be 10 or 11 rr, gg, i'm only 5L5, but all made in agramon and all in a group of 8, pretty ever guild group.
What is better play?

This is not my goal to start a polemic discussion on theme, i simply ask to RvR more constant presence players what kind of RvR they want to play on Agramon or Emain OF.

Game is RvR - not GvG and not PvP (though these can still happen often). Always was and always will be. Not many seems to understand this even though it says it right on the box!

Dont worry about how many rp you can cram in one day, just enjoy the game and the journey your chartacter goes through naturally. I'll bet that alot of times when people think others are adding, the "adders" are actually just trying to be "part of a realm" and are either helping eliminate a threat quickly and efficiently or actually trying to help thier own realmmates.

In answer to your other questions :

Yes Emain will be zerg vs zerg until one dominates all others and ruins gameplay for other 2 realms. They are switching back to an inferior Frontiers so you must expect the same inferior map and gameplay.

No, you absolutely do not want to make a ranger or any other Archer. First of all bow damage is aproximately 3\4's of what it actually should be so you will never be at you normal potential according to the original game. You will always be less than you should be. And if they implement old ra's - which has been discussed around here and actually entertained as a possibility - then you damn sure dont want to be an Archer. If that happens you will be the one class that is 100% all the time the prey of some other.

currently:
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old-frontiers:
more zerg due to more ppl in rvr, but also more 8vs8 hopefully

i don't know if really my eng is too bad, but seem i ask for a water glass and you offer me a hot chili pepper.

I know perfectly what mean rvr, i know exaclty what is OF, i am 1 of ppl who have voted for OF, and i'm proud of that.

I think i have understand the subliminal message of Zubasa, thank you for answer, i need to study well the Pennine's map.

cy on melee.

People who like 8v8 complain about adding but they wont hesitate to steamroll over someone who is soloing or duo.

I played DAoC back when there was OF and RvR was mostly in Emain and i have to say, with 2000+ people on at the same time on that server, there was a lot of Zerg, but also a lot of 1v1 and 8v8.
Adding was part of that and people complained a lot less, they just lived with it and enjoyed the fights where everything was as they wanted it.

Silverleaf wrote:Dont worry about how many rp you can cram in one day, just enjoy the game

exactly, there are people who would only enjoy fair fights, so why do you tell me that I *have* to play rvr and whatever?

I'll bet that alot of times when people think others are adding, the "adders" are actually just trying to be "part of a realm" and are either helping eliminate a threat quickly and efficiently or actually trying to help thier own realmmates.

oh come on, do you really believe that?
people yelling "For albion! Save my fierce brethern!"
I got used to adding but don't tell me it's anything else but hunger for RPs

that's all right
add or not is simply a chose

about 1vs1, my personal opinion is simply this not exist, and i'll explain why:

if you are a stealther, you can't ask mercy or more, you are an ambusher, you can choose WHO, IF AND WHEN attack. If you lose simply you have wrong or you are unlucky. If a fg see you and kill you, that's only one of risks of you role;

if you are a non stealther, solo roaming, i think the fg can chose if kill or not (personally not) because if you go solo, and you are not crazy, you think to can win versus a stealther who inc you, for example if you are a good dps/tank.
The stealthers are not stupids, then if they inc you-[a superior class] (remember they can chose who if and when inc) i don't think the fight i'll be a 1vs1.
I think the no-stealther soloer must try to skip the high density rvr spot (as gates) and try to reach exp spots or something similiar.

about 8vs8 dynamics i think are much different:
when you play a 8men party, the goal is not simply raise rp and rr, the goal is to verify IF your setup is better or more functional versus the setup of enemie gank.

melee setup?
hibrid setup?
NS?
PABOE?
Loopers?
Pushers?
with PBT or without?

Is really hard to make a setup, need 8 players logged at same time who play 8 right classes, teamspeak, Group Realm Abilites, coordination and much more...

When a 2nd PUG party add....all job of preparation is destroyed, ok we have win, ok we have get rps, but....

do we are really betters of enemies who we have killed?

For a 8man lover win or lose is not sufficient, the 8man lover need to know if he is more power, more skilled, or simply if the setup chosed is more right, and for to have an answer to these question need can end a fight without adds or other external elements of intrusion.

If the most part of Uthgard community is formed from "adult player", i think is possibile to do this thinking.

Stormcow wrote:about 1vs1, my personal opinion is simply this not exist, and i'll explain why:

if you are a stealther, you can't ask mercy or more, you are an ambusher, you can choose WHO, IF AND WHEN attack. If you lose simply you have wrong or you are unlucky. If a fg see you and kill you, that's only one of risks of you role;

You gang stealthers soloers but no nonstealthers soloers? Is interesting your opinion why, but i got you with my sb , and i think that you add in all 1vs1 stealth combat for other reason, and no because they can choose when they can fight.

There are two kinds of stealthers...

The slimy little lurikeen who add everything on sight from distance(archer, run away and hideagain) or with melee(vanish). There are many nonlurikeen who play this way. These slimy stealthers are only interested in rps and are very very very weak if it comes to 1vs1. Well, whose fault is it that they are soo weak that they rely on purge, ip, viper, rr5, etc each fight? noone, they just cant play their class correctly.

And there is a rare breed of stealthers that seek 1vs1 challenges, never add and fight only to experience the trill of fighting and not just to get some rps. There are also lurikeens who play this way.

After playing uthgard for a while you know most stealtehrs always add, because, well they add so much that you actually remember their names when you read em. But if you see a rr6+ stealther whose name you do not know, it has to be either someone who hasnt been on for several years or someone of that rare breed that seeks 1vs1.

Now knowing that those stealthers ,whom you see fighting right in front of you, will add you the next second you are fighting someone else, you automatically remove this menace by killing off both of them, just to ensure that there are at least 2 stealthers less at your location that wouldve added you for sure.

this is fine for me....
do we make a sigled pact?

stealth war and 8vs8
simply 2 parallel dimensions
never inc

I bid 10p a stealther broke this pact first.

I have a question:
when a group vs group is ended with a realease of 1 faction, do stealther want kill survivors? I agree
Can we kill a stealther when he run as a disperate trying hidd after kill his target?

P.S. i don't think the primary problem is stealther adds. I think the problem are groups who roam sticked or 10 foots of distance for adding.

Satz wrote:
Now knowing that those stealthers ,whom you see fighting right in front of you, will add you the next second you are fighting someone else, you automatically remove this menace by killing off both of them, just to ensure that there are at least 2 stealthers less at your location that wouldve added you for sure.

And that is why I die most of the time xD

click and read plz before you kill lurie stealthers ^^

Ph allways the same problem, like in box set says, its a RVR game, you can be add and cant flame for that, we can stick your ass and you cant blabe for that, be gentle, this part of game , others games like guild wars works on groups like a lot of ppl want, dont try change the spirit of the game