i noticed we got a problem in agra, there are more and more stealthers and less and less solo/small groups.

since few weeks, i respeced robine with mos5 to clean stealthers zergs in small groups with speed and heal and we let solo chars alive.

when i am in fullgroup i ask my group to let 1-3 groups alive and when we are in group of 3-4 let solo alive.

an today when i was logged with archi in a group of 3 i had the pleasure to meet a fg hib that let us alive. I noticed that eodine, that we let alive solo this morning , was in the group. i don't know if there is a relation between both situations.

The "not add" "rule" is more and more respected in agra. It would be nice that FG dont kill 1-3 groups and 3+ groups dont kill solos. exception done for sure for stealthers that are just an error in daoc ^^.

and btw if you could see robine as a stealther cleaner and not just a stealther and so let him alive, it would be friendly ^^.

PS: i know lot of people will say that daoc is a war and you have to kill any enemies cause you want to defend your realm, but i hope at least some will agree with this "rule" and rvr could be better soon in agra.

if you are in fg and let solo alive and the enemy group logs out ,you still can have fun if you split the group to make some solo fights. There is still the stealthers problem but if more archers in every realm respec to play grouped, it could be perfect ^^

I find it particularly funny when a FG rolls over a group of greens and especially when a group rolls over a solo.

Alas; most of the groups that I have rolled with (mid) have left solo'rs to do exactly that; solo. It maybe against my opinion; but honestly; it is nice to see a solo survive a whole group so he can kill solos.

That brings it back to just common respect that is just lacking in some of the right places. For me; I honest have a KoS (Kill on Sight) policy when it comes to an enemy; regardless of color/class/solo or grp (I just don't like discriminating)

As for DF gray ganks? Very amusing; especially when 4 lvl 50s surround a single gray and cheer him on; and than just stun him and give hm an exp death; or kill him after he gets experience.

The point is; it's up to your play style and your groups play style wheather or not to kill people who are solo; because sometimes you could be in a 8v8 and that solo that you let live; deciedes to run interrupts on your support.

It happens;
RvR is Every realm for themselves;
Deal with it.

I find this change very nice pana however I really dislike your RAGE against stealthers

some of us run by a code of honor but I bet you haven't noticed it due to your rage against stealthers

however I am also glad to see more and more "non adding" behavior to call out fairness in the rvr zones

this makes more fun rvr I think

This is a typical Panach post. Like an error in this forum.

You really have serious problems. First of all Albstealthers are the most grped on Uthgard, because most of them have a hard time to kill something alone. They love camping with clerics or other non-stealthers. Maybe speak to them and you wont find SB oder NS zerg that farms you often.

This topic title is very confusing. Next time you should better write "Panach doesnt like stealthers but let robine plz alive".

See you on battlefield an hopefully again (easy) RPs.

PS: I think you meant Aoedine. He plays Alb too and maybe he likes you

^_^ More grouped MoS Archers please.

Reminded me of some talk with cuty Nixi:
"Everyone says Archers shouldnt solo, but group. Once they group every single stealther giving that advice is QQing"

Greetz
Nes

Let the solos live and see them 5 min add on the fight...

same thing with grays in df, you go to mid/hib side, find a yellow con to fight, and suddenly all the green/grays you let live add on the fight..

a good enemy is a dead enemy

@mouser

you are free to do a list of the people that really need to be killed even if solo.

i just started one with enemies to kill even if solo, one with the albs to not invite and one with the one to let being killed cause adding etc.

sure there are some degree in this list and most of them have others chances to show that they can play fair.

usually when we got "friendly" adder, i ask group to move back and let the enemies kill the adders.

@ronian

i think you have nothing to say about add, cause you made me laugh when you said " i never add"
and i dislike the same way alb stealthers than mid or hib, but i can't kill them... but maybe with nestral ^^.

@nixian

an other problem with stealthers is the fact that there can be 10 players solo in agra... if 9 of them are stealthers and i am with sorc... it's not very fun for nobody cause the only fights will be stealther vs me and not often stealthers vs stealthers... cause they are stealthers ^^

if every one would roll a unstealthed class there could be more solo/small group fights... and stay alive if people let solo alive... maybe you start to understand the goal of this post.

When we run ( Hib ) as the first rule we leave solo'ers and some small grps if they turn and run etc.. ( as a trio i would still engange a FG or turn around, not just run past them ) so therefor turn and run or fight.. Not like we are chaseing a running smallman. The reason soloers and small grps ( stealthers is a whole other chapter ) gets killed alot is due to 90% of the solo'ers i've seen adds on a ongoing fight.. you say its nice that grps leave out the soloers i DEFENTLY think that it would be nice if solo'ers left the FGs.
For the stealthers.. I dont see many alb and mid stealthers adding on smallman fights and FG fights, but hib stealthers i have the impression adds on everything they see. Its like desteath>sprint>get 1 hit in.. So tbh atm i have nothing left for hibernias stealthers.
But in the end i can only encourage less adding and more clean 8v8 fights etc..

@Panach
This statement must be 1 year old or something like that. Since Zubasa introduced the (almost) "everyone adds everyone policy to this server. I changed my mind and I dont add fair players (caroli temujine bugsy etc). And no 1on1 of non-idiots.

Your new post is even more funny. Didnt add you when playing the scout until you ganked me several times. This is what I mean with the paragraph above.


Edited offtopic out

Nixian

please if you wanna do another topic about "stealther= adders" open a new topic.

this one is to try to get proper rvr in agra with some rules.

and even if a mod could clean this topic and the ones that are out of topic it could be nice...

it could be nice to set a list of players( the ones that are often in agra at least ^^) that agree with this and the ones that totaly disagree so we could know who to let alive and who to roll on when you pass on them.

The problem is that many players do account sharing. So one day a particular char wont add, other day (because its played by someone else) will. Few have respect for rvr and few wont add a fair fight. I know them and they know me. I love my enemies especially the good ones, because without enemies we wont have any daoc. But for players like panach or some others there is nothing but death out there.

I will hunt you , i will hunt your twinks, your grays, your friends, i will fight till my last drop, i will add your groups and i will pick you from 50 enemies, just like you hunt me with your friends. This is for those who find themselves in what i say. There is no mercy for those like you.

I'm not so long on this server , been trying out Midgard with a skald , shaman duo , wich we ran about 90 % of our playtime(duo).

All i've seen so far is FG's mids , hibs and albs steamrolling solo players duo players trio players Fg players etcetc, even jumping solo players in the teleporttower with a FG rr8 + they find funny here.

Purely out of frustration that there is compleetly no fun playtime when rolling in a duo trough agramon we moved over to some old friends who try to make a FG on hibernia.
On level 40 (hib char) i've been ganked like about 15 times in a row yesterday moving arround in agramon from the one to the other place trying to find a peacefull spot to xp a bit , even moved to emain and still those farmers don't find anything else to do then fooking up our playtime in frontiers wich forces us back to go in pve zones where atleast u can have something going on for a while.

Now u come asking for rules?

lol .. nothing more to say ..

When i was on skald /shaman duo we never touche'd a FG /Fg fight not even a 1 vs 1 fight or anything else...

I think fairplay is something u need to have inside urself and i also think its impossible to make rules about it.

so i think rules are impossible ... i got my own rules and try to play with some respect towards others ,....i hope most other people on uthgard also try to do the same , but so far i didn't see a shining star.

P.S. rules killed excalibur long time ago .

hope to meet u in the warzone , with all respect .White.

Ive been running around in agramon alot, solo, grouped and fg... So far, ive only encountered 1 midgroup that did leave me alive by running close to me, and it was, mostlikely due to the fact that they didnt notice me due to my colors. The most funny thing is, that mids also tend to spam macros. All time they die to the lack of skill or by beeing outnumbered, they spam /rude, and when they gank someone with numbers, they spam /laugh.
As for hibgroup, i have the intention, that they are hunting every single soloer so far. Sometimes even adding on 1vs1 fights. What am i talking about? they always add on 1vs1 fights with fg or zerg.
As for stealthers, well, ive met only 3 stealthers so far, that do not tend to add. 2 infis and 1 nightshade. All others add on sight. Ive once even witnessed a friar beeing attacked by 1 sb, and then, 3 others popped out of nowhere with bs. They add on 8vs8 or even when a zerg ganks a soloer, they just pop out with pa/bs on destealth, sprint and land 1-2 hits before you get killed by fg/zerg. Rangers and nightshades are even worser.

As for soloers. When i run in fgs, i tend to let soloers alive, my groupmates mostly dont share my opinion^^. I hate stealthers for adding, so i add stealthers or do whatever i can to destealth them when running through milegates. There are some special soloers that i never, never let live because they tend to group with assassins, and as a covered 1vs1, they just make the opponent an easy target for PA, and others, who just make a look as if they would run solo, but in truth they play the buffbot for the stealthers around. These ones i never let alive if i meet em beeing solo/small group while beeing myself in fg.

As for that: solos&smallgroups add in 8vs8. Well, there is no 8vs8, and if a soloer or two add on 8vs8, kill those two who added, its gonna be much easier than killing someone of the 8 others. Thats just some freerps(10sek per kill) adding your fight, nothing bad, just a little rps-bonus.
It becomes a problem, when you get 8 stealther adds with pa/assist and vanish. This way it easily becomes a 16vs8 and thats where you loose for sure.

Greykilling is an other issue. Even though i mostly let all greys alive, and so do most albs & hibs, ive never ever seen a single mid who let a grey alive, beside me... So i tend to think about starting killing midgreys more and more.

Satz wrote:As for soloers. When i run in fgs, i tend to let soloers alive, my groupmates mostly dont share my opinion^^.

This.

panach, what are u talking about ?

the stealther in ur realm added every fight of 8vs8, and if i try to kill one of that amg camper solo, one or more will add for sure.

on the hibside, some soloers dont add, but the most fgs there, kill every smallgrp or solo, and do emotespam after every fight, if they ganked me with a fg or a trio or some else.

most of them arnt skilled enough to go out as a solo or even kill a yellow mob alone. they are just gays, ganking smaller grps.

i tell u some, 3 nights ago i was solo in agra- first i had a ministrel with his op elryll in fight, a reaver added, a paladin comes too, i could handle them a while till 2 stealther paed me.
what happens now ?-- emotespam-- like always

dont tell me ur realms play fair.

my guildgrp as example try to let solos and duos live, exept all stealther, mushs and well known adder, but it doesnt work-- some mins later they will add our fights for sure.

this dicuss sensless cause it will not change anything