some champs/heroes/whatever do 400+ dmg styles, so ..

my armsman does
every 5.9 seconds

HELL YEAH

As a few people know, i was member in one of the bigges RvR-Guilgs on Euro-Servers named "Heer der Finsterniss". In the good days we were 102 "active" mebers and fast got the name "Zerg der Finsterniss". We go every Tuesday to raid a keep. Then we do our guild meeting there.

On Friday we only do random RvR. That means, we got one or two FG roaming around plus some stealthers.

So i know what zerg means, but i also know what 8v8 means.

But to say it as it is : Daoc was allways designed to be "Masses aginst masses". 8 vs 8 was invented by some players who had only one thing in mind... to get more RP then everybody else. It is not that bad to win a 8v8.. but even cooler it is to win a 8v16 or 8v8 with backup after 2 min.

What i like to say : Players should not say " We only run in one FG so everybody has to run in a FG also so we have 8v8 everytime we meet on the battlefield."

It is not the idea of Daoc to do 8v8. 8 is only the number of chars that Mythic think a group should have to be equiped with all needed abilitys.
If you run a FG Hibs and find a 16 Mid v. 16 Albs, just do what u can... it is so great to do a big fight and leave as "last group standing"...

Miska wrote:As a few people know, i was member in one of the bigges RvR-Guilgs on Euro-Servers named "Heer der Finsterniss". In the good days we were 102 "active" mebers and fast got the name "Zerg der Finsterniss". We go every Tuesday to raid a keep. Then we do our guild meeting there.

On Friday we only do random RvR. That means, we got one or two FG roaming around plus some stealthers.

So i know what zerg means, but i also know what 8v8 means.

But to say it as it is : Daoc was allways designed to be "Masses aginst masses". 8 vs 8 was invented by some players who had only one thing in mind... to get more RP then everybody else. It is not that bad to win a 8v8.. but even cooler it is to win a 8v16 or 8v8 with backup after 2 min.

What i like to say : Players should not say " We only run in one FG so everybody has to run in a FG also so we have 8v8 everytime we meet on the battlefield."

It is not the idea of Daoc to do 8v8. 8 is only the number of chars that Mythic think a group should have to be equiped with all needed abilitys.
If you run a FG Hibs and find a 16 Mid v. 16 Albs, just do what u can... it is so great to do a big fight and leave as "last group standing"...

loved that, may i put it as sign?

in all the thread i just keep seeing alb and hibs qqing always with the same excuse ooh mid zerg booooh mid's mind is only dominated by zerging and zerging
What The ****** u think your realm do as well more than often?! its the same for the 3 realms not mid or mid population only so shut up and stop qq all the time it's really a ROFL read you always complain and cry about the same thing oh my god!
thanks i feel better now

Miska wrote:As a few people know, i was member in one of the bigges RvR-Guilgs on Euro-Servers named "Heer der Finsterniss". In the good days we were 102 "active" mebers and fast got the name "Zerg der Finsterniss". We go every Tuesday to raid a keep. Then we do our guild meeting there.

On Friday we only do random RvR. That means, we got one or two FG roaming around plus some stealthers.

So i know what zerg means, but i also know what 8v8 means.

But to say it as it is : Daoc was allways designed to be "Masses aginst masses". 8 vs 8 was invented by some players who had only one thing in mind... to get more RP then everybody else. It is not that bad to win a 8v8.. but even cooler it is to win a 8v16 or 8v8 with backup after 2 min.

What i like to say : Players should not say " We only run in one FG so everybody has to run in a FG also so we have 8v8 everytime we meet on the battlefield."

It is not the idea of Daoc to do 8v8. 8 is only the number of chars that Mythic think a group should have to be equiped with all needed abilitys.
If you run a FG Hibs and find a 16 Mid v. 16 Albs, just do what u can... it is so great to do a big fight and leave as "last group standing"...

The "daoc-was-designed-for-mass-fights" thing is getting really old and it's bullshit coming from anyone than somebody from the original Mythic staff. How do u know it's supposed to be zerg-v-zerg? U mentioned your guild acting as a zerg. Well I was in one of the biggest guilds on my live server too and we almost always run 8v8 like many many other people on the server. What's your point?

DAoC is whatever u make of it in my opinion. If u want zerg, u can, if u want 8v8, u can. Nobody should tell me how to play and I won't tell anybody not to zerg or whatever either even if it annoys me and I think it doesn't take any skill.

Saying 8v8 was 'invented" by rp-horny people doesn't make any sense. How does this get u more rps? I'd say zergers are safer, die less and thus gain more rp? Looks to me like it's the not the 8v8'ers who want the RPs, only a challenge.

I do not want to look down on your way playing/thinking but the idea that 8v8 players are elitist/rp-horny idiots and that daoc should be about zerging is just not true.

Maidrion wrote:

Miska wrote:As a few people know, i was member in one of the bigges RvR-Guilgs on Euro-Servers named "Heer der Finsterniss". In the good days we were 102 "active" mebers and fast got the name "Zerg der Finsterniss". We go every Tuesday to raid a keep. Then we do our guild meeting there.

On Friday we only do random RvR. That means, we got one or two FG roaming around plus some stealthers.

So i know what zerg means, but i also know what 8v8 means.

But to say it as it is : Daoc was allways designed to be "Masses aginst masses". 8 vs 8 was invented by some players who had only one thing in mind... to get more RP then everybody else. It is not that bad to win a 8v8.. but even cooler it is to win a 8v16 or 8v8 with backup after 2 min.

What i like to say : Players should not say " We only run in one FG so everybody has to run in a FG also so we have 8v8 everytime we meet on the battlefield."

It is not the idea of Daoc to do 8v8. 8 is only the number of chars that Mythic think a group should have to be equiped with all needed abilitys.
If you run a FG Hibs and find a 16 Mid v. 16 Albs, just do what u can... it is so great to do a big fight and leave as "last group standing"...

The "daoc-was-designed-for-mass-fights" thing is getting really old and it's bullshit coming from anyone than somebody from the original Mythic staff. How do u know it's supposed to be zerg-v-zerg? U mentioned your guild acting as a zerg. Well I was in one of the biggest guilds on my live server too and we almost always run 8v8 like many many other people on the server. What's your point?

DAoC is whatever u make of it in my opinion. If u want zerg, u can, if u want 8v8, u can. Nobody should tell me how to play and I won't tell anybody not to zerg or whatever either even if it annoys me and I think it doesn't take any skill.

Saying 8v8 was 'invented" by rp-horny people doesn't make any sense. How does this get u more rps? I'd say zergers are safer, die less and thus gain more rp? Looks to me like it's the not the 8v8'ers who want the RPs, only a challenge.

I do not want to look down on your way playing/thinking but the idea that 8v8 players are elitist/rp-horny idiots and that daoc should be about zerging is just not true.

yeah and if u read more carefully it's just what he said?
It's not done for 8vs8 only but u can do it as well?
so was an invite to stop qq alll the FUnKyING time about zerg?
makes sense?

Rakjsh wrote:
makes sense?

Maybe if you would bother making a decent post.

Maidrion if you say that nobody shouldn´t say you how to play, you should do the same and dont say zerg vs zerg, or you only zerging... And im sure that when you play in group you kill soloers too. 39 vs 20 for me is the same 8 vs 1.

That start be sound ...hypocrisy?

vangonaj wrote:Maidrion if you say that nobody shouldn´t say you how to play, you should do the same and dont say zerg vs zerg, or you only zerging... And im sure that when you play in group you kill soloers too. 39 vs 20 for me is the same 8 vs 1.

That start be sound ...hypodrisy?

maybe u should understand what he wrote

he was pointing out that saying that 8v8 was invented by RP horny guys is just pure bullshit and that most of 8v8 people just want a challenge / fair fight (not 8vs284 - tho theese fights can be fun if those 284 is noobs)

nixian wrote:8v8 people just want a challenge / fair fight

all that is left for me is to keep laughing at the "fair fight" thing

when will people understand there are no fair 8v8?

do an 8v8 of same RR, one team being in TS, the other not
do one with rr5 average fg and a rr8 average fg
do one with a fg of lvlers vs a fg built for rvr

none of those fights are fair

the only fair fight would be 8v8 of EXACTLY same setup of the SAME realm with SAME RR etc etc

everything else isn't fair
and if you want a challenge, fight vs more than you and dont log out while crying your eyes out

I just wrote as a player, not as staff... that first.

If Daoc would be designed for 8v8, Mythic would rather have inserted instanced RvR-Arenas where groups account for a fight and if 2 groups are found, they are ported to an instanced small BG for fight.

The fact that everybody can go into and leave the RvR-areas as he like is a clear sign that masses vs. masses was the clear goal. Mythic always said " ...come and witness epic fights." Epic fights with 16 people ? And, they´re PvP Fight system was named "Realm vs. Realm"... this has a meaning.

On live they even make a clear rule about adding: You _have_ to fight every enemy you find.

So i think there is enough said for the design of Daoc. 8v8-loving people demand a setting the game is not designed for. And so i think they can´t demand it. It is nice and challanging to have a 8v8, thats clear. But it will happen only randomly.

DAoC allows for many different playstyles. wether it's soloing, small groups, full groups or zerg - no matter.

You can try to enforce your playstyle by your actions ingame (e.g. bringing more fighters than the enemy). this might work or not

But you shouldn't try to enforce your playstyle through words - neither on this forum, nor ingame.

Miska wrote:On live they even make a clear rule about adding: You _have_ to fight every enemy you find.

I played quite some time on EU live, but I never heard of that rule. Maybe you misunderstood something.

Miska wrote:On live they even make a clear rule about adding: You _have_ to fight every enemy you find.

id LOVE a quote Miska

and Phileas u have to agree that

8vs8 is 10 times more "fair" than 8vs205+ - agree?

a challenge can often be killing a high RR grp while only being RR5 urself

once you get skilled players RR and realms doesn't matter at all - its all about controlling ur toon to the fullest - and often in a high paste tempo (on live) vs other skilled guys (thats how live was - skilled 8man guilds on all sides)

however on uthgard it has been a rule for a long time that RR > skills

however that is starting to change - atleast in alb/hib ive seen some actually 8man guilds that has skills and knows how to use their toons to the fullest - and soon i bet you will see them take on masses too - however - its almost a rule that 8mans will QQ about people adding their 8v8 fights as 8v8 truely is how u can test ur skills (because most 8man guilds run in full templates and right setups - and once you have that you can easy live without a few RRs if u just have skills)

same goes for 1v1 - most solos are templated - runs charges, pots, etc - they are also looking for testing their skills - however they are independant and not in need of a grp to test their skills - this is also why u will hear solos cry about adding because when its 1v1 another guy really does a LOT - imagine a 8v8 that turns out to be 8v16 cuz another grp adds - a lot harder for the 8 guys then

but im out of this thread - ive made my points - daoc = rvr, that includes 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 ... 8v8... zerg vs zerg and anything in between - however if people would respect that people have different playstyles it would be better..

like the other day - i got jumped by beastmaster? or some other MOS5 scout in front of 8 albs (stealthers, solos, duos, etc) - they let me beat him 1v1 before killing me - now thats RESPECT for different playstyles and for those albs: i appreciate it A LOT! nice to see people can still be respectful to other realms instead of this red - ur dead thing

nixian wrote:8vs8 is 10 times more "fair" than 8vs205+ - agree?

i do agree with you on that
my personal wish would be that 8 man groups would leave 4,3,2 man groups and solos alone

but since the so called "honorable" and "fair" fighters dont seem to think killing 3 with their fg isn't fair and i personally have been run over by fgs while running solo often enough to hold a grudge against 90% of those players and make it a point to run them over if i happen to run into them when my group outnumbers them
i just like to repay the favors that are done to me ^^

i think a lot of people have encountered me when running solo, i am not afraid to take on 1v2 or even 1v3 (*wave* to all those rangers out there ) and i also enjoy watching fights of 1 mid vs 1 hib or 1 alb
but if 1alb and 1hib are fighting, dont expect me to stand there

Phileas wrote:but if 1alb and 1hib are fighting, dont expect me to stand there

and thats why you get ganked by fgs ^^ a caster adding a 8v8 is a serious threat. a caster along with 2 buddies even more. no, a 8v3 is not fair - but neither is a 8vs11.