or wizzard

if u would implement 1.8x changes for one class other players will ask for some changes too, so its not possible to implement 1.8x changes only for fulltanks.

Ranius wrote:yes, same goes for armsman.

Sure? Ask salbei for some armsman tips

panachier wrote:and btw PA is no more really good... it won't change a fight

Yeah taking away 30% of a tanks hp in one hit, pff that's nothing, srsly.

malle wrote:or wizzard

if u would implement 1.8x changes for one class other players will ask for some changes too, so its not possible to implement 1.8x changes only for fulltanks.

No, you didn't get my point. Balance only. Only classes who need more power or a nerf. Wouldn't give disease and dmg add to vw, wouldn't give shields to warden, etc. Would give some love to full tanks and wizzs and some other other classes who need it. Make game really fair. If 125123 ppl QQ about some class's dmg for example you just say: "That's the way it is in 1.80" No! You should nerf dmg and say: "That's the fair way we play on Uthgard!"

Why not guys? F*ck 1.80, let uthgard have its own patches, but still be similar to 1.80.

because it is not clear what is needed to be nerfed or uped.

When I see messages like "we don't need class x" in raids or rvr, it's pretty clear.

Buff Thane to 1.90 pls cause its not needed in most FGs QQ...that this would ruin 1on1 and small grp RvR cause there Thane would be oped like hell,nvm...and btw. who decides which classes need love?Imo all healing classes would need the healing class buff cause fights would be longer and more fun then,on the other Hand many others would whine about that (especially casters ).

Who needs nerf and who needs power, it's clear. Ppl simply know it.

And about thane...no you didn't get my point. Thane is just fine, if thane doesn't get in grp its not cause it's too bad on uthgard.

imo thane is bad on uth(not because other said sth against it^^, he is really bad on uth ^^), u see the problem i mentioned?

I also could say Friar needs love, Zerker is op etc.. some ppl will ever agree and some never agree^^

You say ppl simply know it,i say ppl want their classes buffed.If Heavy Tanks get a boost other things will need a fix to compensate this,which then makes other classes need a lovepatch aswell.Its not as simple as you seem to think (btw. Heavy tanks can deal decent damage,if you play them with frontload that is)

Greetz,
Player of Islana

Damage is not much of a problem, problem is that heavy tank is not heavy. Tank gotta be tank, it's gotta be tough.

And we could nerf/give power to classes that we all agree. We don't want vw to get more power, do we? I barely see any wizz, I think we all agree it needs some love, same for heavy tanks. Run poll or whatever, why be stuck at some patch...number is not important, game balance is.

Ranius wrote:Damage is not much of a problem, problem is that heavy tank is not heavy. Tank gotta be tank, it's gotta be tough.

And we could nerf/give power to classes that we all agree. We don't want vw to get more power, do we? I barely see any wizz, I think we all agree it needs some love, same for heavy tanks. Run poll or whatever, why be stuck at some patch...number is not important, game balance is.

dont need to give "love" to classes.. just need to get melee and magic stuff ballanced (dmg and utility)

dont start the whole love giving and nerfing thing mythic did

we all know where that ended (even more love and nerf patching (for those who didnt stick around to watch it) )

simply make sure things are calculated right and dmg ballanced

and yes no one wants a thane because of ae hammer of doomz

(atleast thats how it was on live for a long time - too many noobs playing thanes i guess lol)

Flamingfury wrote:

panachier wrote:and btw PA is no more really good... it won't change a fight

Yeah taking away 30% of a tanks hp in one hit, pff that's nothing, srsly.

30% hits don't change a fight? I don't know what game you play :O
Anyway, with PA+cd with its stun an assassin can take 60%+ hits of a heavy tank. If it's not enough then roll a bomber to 3 shot people

Demiurgo, I think flamingfury did /saracasm on before posting

you know that PA do 400/500 dammage on a char? you know that garrot+envenom do arround 250/300 dammage? so PA or not PA there is no difference on a fight.

and anyway one vs one, once you are stuned for a long time, you are dead. you can ask it to a reaver .

i don't know why you complain so much about stealthers, they are weak in melee. maybe you are just missing some reflex (sure if you are walking and you get 2 or 3 hit before reacting, that's to long.) or maybe you complain about chars that have dex/q st/c hast AF ablativ add dammage charge and solo template... and they kill group chars unbuffed...

even being fullbufed i have sometimes problem to kill fighters... if there is a problem it's that stealthers are to nerfed. CS is quite useless now except for garrot's snare maybe, other way stealthers are just a mix melee/caster.

the one that complain about stelather, please roll one and so post again