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BG's are KILLING RvR!

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playfull Myrmidon Posts: 162 Joined: Jul 05, 2016 01:07	by playfull » Jul 25, 2017 06:38 Zarkor wrote: Budikah wrote:This same issue exists in almost every PvP game. You've got wolves and sheep. ... Something that I doubt can be fixed... It can be fixed. The most important thing is that you need a critical mass of sheep so they can feel comfortable together. Right now, it's a handful of sheep vs the same amount of wolves. This simply is not a healthy balance. The wolves need to eat too and they WILL. So every time they see sheep they eat them. And every time the sheep show their face they die. Normally, sheep can hide in the pack, strength in numbers. Not on Uthgard. They are exposed and very juicy. They don't have other sheep to mingle with either, so they can't even have a good time until they die. The only way to fix this is by providing sheep enough incentive to go out en masse. And that's where things go wrong. Instead of using the entire playerbase from lvl 36-50 as your sheep population by making it worthwhile for them to RvR, Uthgard does nothing for them. The sheep try to go out and face the wolves, but once they realize it's a wolf infested sh1tstorm out there, they stop going out because they don't like being a meal 24/7. On live there were plenty of sheep. Why? Because everyone was excited enough to go out at the same time, AND most people simply did not know enough about the game to be wolves. It was only natural that so many people were out on the field and that there were so few wolves compared to sheep. Fast forward 15 years and the relative amount of wolves has risen severely, with the sad consequences for the sheep, who don't even have the excitement of a new game anymore to rely on. Help them have a good time. Allow them to progress their characters properly even while dying to wolves sometimes. Help their population restore. The best way to do it was at launch of Uth 2.0. That chance is lost. The second best time is now. someone applaud this guy for hitting this spot on

Roxxor Gryphon Knight Posts: 429 Joined: Feb 01, 2008 01:00	by Roxxor » Jul 25, 2017 08:09 I cannot believe there is a second chance. This second chance was before 3 Month, when it comes clear Uthgard gets a massive Player migration. But the important people do not react or care about at this time, so we are now at the fifth chance. I hope they care now and throw away their 1.65 BS-Dogma, which damaged Uthgard! Nothing else, even a minority love this setting, is responsable for the state of Uthgard. Last edited by Roxxor on Jul 25, 2017 15:56, edited 1 time in total. Danke Uthgard für 10 Jahre Sent: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:01 am From: Abydos To: Roxxor If you arent having fun just stop posting. No need to ****** post on the forum. Go outside and enjoy the sunshine. ------------------ I am posting here because i have no fun and tried to rescue Uthgard. Finally i did it like half of staff, i gave up...

Clixxz Warder Posts: 29 Joined: May 19, 2017 20:04	by Clixxz » Jul 25, 2017 08:33 I'm playing an increased XP wow server. I get to end game faster where the REAL game starts. Today marks day 3 of me not logging on uthgard after 7 solid months of not touching another game. The rvr action in March and April was awesome. It was easy to net 30-40k rps in a couple of hours because there was Inc every 5 minutes. This is what I want uthgard to be again. Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

Severian Gryphon Knight Posts: 254 Joined: Mar 01, 2017 19:40	by Severian » Jul 25, 2017 16:03 I'll keep playing until there is literally nothing to kill anymore, which isn't too far away during the times I play (NA mid to late primetime). I don't think there's much to be done though to bring any players back that left. You really only have one chance to get an MMO launch executed correctly, and if you muff it up, that's it. Players don't really return too often to MMO games based on their history. It's not impossible though I guess, just no idea how to do it. Especially on a freeshard like this. Advertising maybe? Severian, RR5 Skald Sacrament, RR4 Healer Darkcircle, RR4 RM

Ownnyn Eagle Knight Posts: 513 Joined: Jul 06, 2017 05:59	by Ownnyn » Jul 25, 2017 18:36 Make massive qol changes, then blanket email everyone who ever created an account with the qol changes, also put in the email the direction your going and the things your working on. Part of the excitement of daoc was reading those patch notes. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk

Roenik Banned Posts: 32 Joined: Dec 22, 2010 00:13	by Roenik » Jul 27, 2017 10:16 I am in +8 time zone, and its literally FKG DEAD...

erock25 Warder Posts: 59 Joined: Nov 19, 2012 22:47	by erock25 » Jul 27, 2017 20:01 The only thing that is going to save Uthgard at this point is a massive bump in exp rate 30-40%+. Uthgard needs to streamline the grind to allow casuals to get to 50 RvR and do it with a few ALTS to choose from.

Glenad Myrmidon Posts: 63 Joined: Jul 17, 2017 15:56	by Glenad » Jul 27, 2017 21:54 Abydos How dare you muddle a good argument with your...your...FACTS.

Requin Eagle Knight Posts: 878 Joined: Jan 11, 2017 21:32	by Requin » Jul 28, 2017 02:57 We have already people 8L+ in 6 months, thats not normal... Let it be, you are not supposed to finish the game in 6 months! I havent got a 50 yet in 6 months. I want to be playing on uthgard for the next few years. Please stop with the PGM BS provsqoouzlol gosu aka uberOP Reminder to Self: Quality over Quantity, what is the Value here?

Almata Warder Posts: 26 Joined: Feb 21, 2017 12:43	by Almata » Jul 28, 2017 13:58 Yesterday for Alb 21h-00h00 8-10players in lvl 50 zone vs 15-20 players for caledonia and other bg . i know people who playing rerol in bg all time , i confirm the day the pvp to lvl50 is clearly dead , In the evening we are saved from 21h to 23h I will say , before and after dont waste your time and go only bg . You were able to divide the players when everyone wanted the opposite.

Kha Gryphon Knight Posts: 462 Joined: Jul 03, 2016 18:16	by Kha » Jul 28, 2017 14:07 Kha wrote: Blue wrote:Its more disturbing that we now have 9500 level 50 chars but only a small percentage of that is seen in RvR. If its all about RvR they could go in right away and we would have 1000+ players in OF with gigantic zergs going on and all types of other play styles on the sidelines. XP was not holding them up. Why would they bother ?? We have some wonderful BG's where people can go, have EASY "fun", delete, PL for 2 hours afk, go back to BG. No purge to counter their plays (or rarely). Easy win when temped & organized a minimum. So, tell me, since we have all kind of bg's now, that are very easy to stay on even without xp off. Why would the majority of players even try ? Few players whined, you gave them what they wanted : good i guess ! But don't expect a majority to try the difficult/challenging path, when you give them a freaking easy&repeatable one. Last time i logged and try a run, i did /who 50 = 20 players. I did /who emain/breifine/cruachan = total 5 players i did /who oding = 0 players i did /who for every bg total : 58 players. (atleast 1/3, not to say half, of them were reroll of 50's.) I guess it's good, lot of people get what they asked for. However, you opened the Pandora box, don't tell us we should be 1000 in OF. Edit : or even that BG's don't affect real RvR at all @Abydos. PLEASE...

Almata Warder Posts: 26 Joined: Feb 21, 2017 12:43	by Almata » Jul 28, 2017 14:25 You have to kill the pvp at level 50 for all the small man and in the evening it is only zerg, the cherry on the cake are your bg and in addition as usual they are advantageous a mid and hib because a lot of Class alb stops the autotrain at lvl 48 ... Have you thought about this? Agree with Kha , you wanted to please some but you destroyed the aim of the game of pvp to lvl 50 after having struggle for leveling

wonshot Gryphon Knight Posts: 295 Joined: Apr 01, 2017 15:43	by wonshot » Jul 28, 2017 14:39 Also its not even that crowded in the BGs. between 21:00 CET to midnight is the only time I managed to see a Full group of Albs all of yesterday. With the occation of 2-3 hib casters roaming for a round or two. Summer please be over, since I still think that is the biggest factor of population drop. Blame it on changes from the Devs all you want (or lack of changes), people will quit and take breaks no matter what. they cant please all of the players at once. (players dont always know what they want, and when they get what they thourght they wanted they get bored or want more) and as usual instead of me just complaining about something, ill try to come with a solution along with it. Smach on the keep doors, guards and flip a keep if you see no action and stick around for a bit for the other realms to see you are out... it worked wonders as big-boy Alb only a few weeks back when I played, attack enough keeps and you will see enemies come out to get you. I strongly disagree with the "we only log on when we see theres already action" mentality. If everyone did that, guess what Flip some keeps people! Hit the frontiers, BGs, where ever you like to RvR this weekend make the server look lively <<Bombling>> - Supp SM Lvl 50 - RR 7L0 Bombling Saga part I - VI. Magnetling Part I&II. Retired on Uthgard for now. Warhammer RoR private server, and CU beta testing.

infaction101 Myrmidon Posts: 80 Joined: Jul 17, 2017 00:32	by infaction101 » Jul 28, 2017 18:55 Abydos wrote:40% of 515 or 20% of 1100. This problem is more complex than you think. But instead of "OMG THERES NO ACTION" or "BGS ARE KILLING RVR" you might consider to ask, "Why is it that we retain european players at a higher rate than NA counterparts?" As an American player I can attest that as a culture I think we want more of a convenience rather than a grind. Euros seem to be more patient and in less need of instant gratification. That said, convenience features and realm balance with buffs is a big reason 10 or my 11 rl friends quit. Sucks fighting a sb that's buffed when Alb has no access to those. Just an example I can give. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

vadox Banned Posts: 142 Joined: Jan 12, 2013 01:42	by vadox » Jul 30, 2017 15:31 Abydos wrote:We had similar on the website on Uth1. But we need to give this some work. I also tried at one point to make the in game /realmwar work but didn't get the client happy about it. Would be neat though. If there is some web developer out there who would want to design and implement the realmwar map contact Blue to see if we still need a helper on that. I know we had some volunteers but not sure if they showed up to work :-p Abydos, everything you need is in the logs. I did this on Genesis and even had live updated maps where action is. I had access to DB there so it was easy to do all this by myself. Your policy, it seems, not to give DB access but instead, expose API to get the data. We are still waiting for Guild Realm Points being refreshed properly and that literary takes 10 min to write a function to get up to date guild realm points. If that takes so long for you guys to grant us, then forget giving us access to log table because that requires a bit more work. Who killed what, Who got killed, Keep on fire, need to refresh this... Also, Abydos, you need to listen and sometimes not to reply when people talk about lack of rvr action, many of those people know what they are talking about and your suggestions to go kill xpers or do this or that do not make sense to a player who's been doing this for years and sometimes, really, sound like insults thrown at us. thank you for the work, however, I know you are trying