Austerim wrote:

BobtheSkelly wrote:He has 3000 more kills than you... stop whining that he actually went out in the other zones and killed people.

RR 9L9 with more kills than a RR 7L0? I'll be damned!

Austerim wrote:Is that why you guys always have 2 Clerics and a Sorc when tasking?

Austerim wrote:Not going to waste my time fact checking on a bunch of guard taskers that are afraid of real RVR!!

BobtheSkelly wrote:

Austerim wrote:Hey it's Sturlek, another person that tasked to their realm rank.

He has 3000 more kills than you... stop whining that he actually went out in the other zones and killed people.

As for the changes, I think they are great. I skimmed the rest of the thread because its too much to read really.

See you guys in the frontiers!

Abydos wrote:Please dont turn this into personal attacks

Shmashed wrote:Not sure what my opinion is really worth to this community considering I am not exactly a part of it (perhaps only technically, just made a character last night). I found out about this server yesterday and I have to say it really sounds cool because ToA and New Frontiers were a couple of the key things that drove me out of daoc.

My first reaction was "But it will take forever to level up, then you will be RR1 and the community will shun you from any groups because you will suck". This was obviously pure conjecture on my part, I don't know how you guys handle new players who lack the tools, but I know on live it was definitely this way. The timesink of levelling up, then trying to grind out marginal RPs in a zerg while getting butchered in all other types of encounter, all of these considerations put a serious damper on my enthusiasm. Then what if my class sucks and I only find out at lvl 50 rr5? Things are not exactly as they were in classic, so how am I to know? What if I pick the wrong spec? Can I respec? I haven't played in 6 yrs, I don't even remember what to do. And people keep saying RvR population is nil and its all stealthers....and I despise the stealth zerg milegate campers essentially make soloing impossible for non stealthers, which is already hard enough with the duo/small/large groups. Etc, etc, etc.

All these worries weighed on me. I almost just closed the tab on my internet browser, never to consider this server again. Then I found out about this tasking system and that alleviated much of my concern with regard to getting proper baseline RAs, so I decided to give it a shot. Getting to rr4 and change should be enough of a baseline and you have one more (potential) player for not getting rid of the tasks. Plus, if you got rid of them, you might very well drive some people out?

Also, once again, for what its worth...I think what is truly poisonous to the server population is more likely to be all the insults you guys fling at the groups who are less successful and need to task guards. If they tasked to a high RR, that is its own penalty? Sure, they have the RAs, but they lack the *experience* to be a good RvR group. I do not understand how you can be mad at someone for having fun their own way within the system? It is probably already somewhat shameful enough to admit to themselves they are not strong enough to fight properly on their own, whether due to class composition, skill, or whatever. Yet, you would rather kick them when they are down and admit defeat by tasking? It sounds like they are out there raising players up who are underlevelled, undergeared, and low RR. I for one think that sounds admirable. That means once they feel they have the right composition of classes, they might be able to roll an 8 man group and give you guys the competition you so desire?

Last thing to consider is, they might even just suck? Maybe they do not ever wish to RvR because they aren't good at it? I don't know the first thing about them, but for the sake of discussion assume this is the case. Not everyone is going to be good, half won't even be average. If you were the worst group out there, and no amount of getting killed would ever make you better...would you keep playing? That is why these ultra competitive games tend to bleed out players over time. Best case scenario they just PvE, worst case, they leave the game. Wouldn't you rather have them in the frontiers than doing PvE in the home zones or quitting out?

I imagine if instead of badmouthing them in the forums, you spent 1/10th of that time getting the word out to more people like myself about this server, you would do a better job at achieving your goal of having more RvR action.

Anyhow...my first post and its already about an argument. An inauspicious start, but...yeah, had to say something.

Orihiime wrote:Just use ur brain. Do u see Sturlek a lot in rvr ? no. Do u see divin a lot in rvr ? yes, u know who are taskers and who are not
LOOK LIKE OMBRACCIA DIDNT STOPPED TASK HAHAHA

Sturlek wrote:

Orihiime wrote:Just use ur brain. Do u see Sturlek a lot in rvr ? no. Do u see divin a lot in rvr ? yes, u know who are taskers and who are not
LOOK LIKE OMBRACCIA DIDNT STOPPED TASK HAHAHA

I think the reason you personally don't see me in rvr a lot is because:

a) you play a mid as your main
b) you sit at amg emain all day. I don't. Do you even go into the other realms' frontiers?
c) you rvr primarily during Euro primetime. I don't.

Spivo is right though, you can't really compare someone's rp/kill ratio unless you have a better understanding of their kill distribution. Alanya and GreenP why don't you guys try and guess how many solo kills I have, so we can actually quantify your error And then GreenP please update the number of solo kills for each player in your table for a real comparison, otherwise the data is a bit meaningless.

Also GreenP you missed the point of my argument entirely. The point is that if someone is going to criticize others for tasking, without even making a cursory argument as to why he thinks tasking is bad, the very least he can do is make sure he's not criticizing someone who also has him beat in the score he actually cares about. Otherwise the translation is: "This player has more RvR experience than I do anyway, but he also tasks so I'm going to try and shame him for that".

And for the sake of satisfying Abydos and Fortysix's thirst for something constructive in the discussion, I would appreciate if someone could answer this question: Why should a player who wants to make realm points during a realm population of 40-50 remain logged in under either of the following scenarios?:

1) There is a fg of enemy players out in the frontiers, but there are not enough players of the right classes in his realm to form an even remotely competetive group
2) There is a fg of enemies and a fg of allies out in the frontier, but our player is the 9th (odd man out) and therefore does not have a group to run with. Both fg's kill solo players in addition to engaging in 8v8's.

Finally, do you think either of the two hypotheticals above are uncommon situations during US primetime?

Orihiime wrote:Tell me when last time i played mid mainly ? i played hib mainly as ranger, and i never saw u in rvr. Oh yes i did, one time i was on my minstrel in og going to horse route, and u was otw for bled for task.

Orihiime wrote:So well, if for you guard task = rvr, we dont have the same view, sorry

Orihiime wrote:LOOK LIKE OMBRACCIA DIDNT STOPPED TASK HAHAHA

Sturlek wrote:

Orihiime wrote:Tell me when last time i played mid mainly ? i played hib mainly as ranger, and i never saw u in rvr. Oh yes i did, one time i was on my minstrel in og going to horse route, and u was otw for bled for task.

So you addressed my point a) which I will grant you, but not my point b) or c). Do you think you've made a comprehensive response?

Orihiime wrote:So well, if for you guard task = rvr, we dont have the same view, sorry

You're right, we don't. But I'm not the one who's throwing around accusations and insults against others for not playing the way I do without justifying my viewpoint first:

Orihiime wrote:LOOK LIKE OMBRACCIA DIDNT STOPPED TASK HAHAHA

Shmashed wrote:Last thing to consider is, they might even just suck? Maybe they do not ever wish to RvR because they aren't good at it? I don't know the first thing about them, but for the sake of discussion assume this is the case. Not everyone is going to be good, half won't even be average. If you were the worst group out there, and no amount of getting killed would ever make you better...would you keep playing? That is why these ultra competitive games tend to bleed out players over time. Best case scenario they just PvE, worst case, they leave the game. Wouldn't you rather have them in the frontiers than doing PvE in the home zones or quitting out?