maybe admins also play mid?

Some do, some don't. But what's your point?

No T-Man...they all do and support our weak bodies with superior all-cap-buffs

@Topa: Of course I see many of Alb players wantings as whining. As so often
mentioned, Midgard once had the same problem. Only a few players almost
no healer, hell I remember when I was one of the only two healers in Mid
Somehow the more or less hardcore gamers of Mid "worked" on the problems
and didn't let themselves being frustrated by getting pwned in rvr or the long
duration of leveling up.

It's not that difficult or an ancient mythic spellcast. You just have to gather
some guys around you who want to solve the problems in your realm.
A first step could be to make one big alliance and begin to listen to suggestions
and tips&tricks of experienced players.
There is no really need for admins/gms to react on a special situation.
The players can change everything by themselves if they only want to!

If you do so, your realm will gain new strength. The question is if you are
willing to do so and the most Albs don't seem to

Greets
Sethor

albs aren't really able to solve their problem on their own. Too much experianced players switched realms or are more time playing on Purga or don't play DAoC very often..

I learned RvR that way:
6 experienced players in a Alb group, 2 Noobs.
If you are a tank, there probably was another tank you could look at..

Now it is this way:
7 Noobs and one experienced player in a group. And the player isn't more successull than the Noobs mostly, since without backup he fails... (eg when someone says INC and he is the only one turning away from the door-> he gets pwned like the rest, only advantage is he could see them coming ) And probably a group with more good players would also fail against the Mids' almost perfect setup..(Perfect will be that bombgroup I think, when it hits 50)
That way ALBION can't learn. It's the Noob-realm.

Edit and PS:
But why are we discussing this? Even if I could convince you, or you could convince me, it doesn't make the slightest difference. The opinion of the relevant people is already made.. See the Poll "Albion xp-Bonus: yes or no" Most players voted yes (the NO-players were louder), but it didn't have an impact..

everybody once was a noob

that's why i find braemar and wilton good learning zones, just sad it is not taken serious enough...

most of the times it's just: lets take the keep and go lvl

communication in albion is allmost non existant,
i remeber one night, a few weeks ago, 12 or 13 hibs in braemar, 1 fg of albs... i called for help and we managed to form a second grp..

i asked to disband and form two good grps instead of the usual "invite untill you have fg" groups, no one answered so we ran out of the telekeep and went to braemar castle...

at the alb ramp we got wiped by the hibs, all died in seconds,

and you know why we all died?

the other group that followed us had left to level without saying a word!!!

that's the problem in albion... total ignorence, no communication, just look at the main chat, you can play for hours and it stays empty...

often i see players go to braemar, asking for free spot and getting the answer, sorry we are full...
so a full grp leaves with 2 or 3 free chars following them, why not wait a minute and look if it is not better to form two grps?

oh well... a lot has to change, just hope there are a few guys in albion sticking their heads together and come up with a good plan,
and hope some others will follow...

just stop saying albion sucks, start communicating, making plans, try new things, start having some fun

just my 2 cents

monty

Braemar and Wilton are NO SERIOUS places to gain RvR experience
It is just a fun area to gank a bit around. Real RvR experience can only
be gained in Emain in group fighting.

How to interrupt assist trains. How to help your healers if they get rupted.
How to assist and so on. In Braemar you might face one or two players,
sometimes a group with no decent rvr setup (missing healer,...)

Greets
Sethor

must agree with sethor ... no RA's RR5 abiltys as well ...
IN bremer just zerg and you can win .. doesnt work in emain

ok, braemar is too easy,

this doesn't mean we can't start doeing things better
now the braemar method is: log in, get free spot in grp
rush to the castle and see what happens...

if we get killed we wait for more players or just rush back and get killed again...

if the enemy is to strong, most leave
if we are too strong the enemy's don't come back...

so we learn nothing....

ever done rvr in a grp where no one says anything? just run in and try to kill middies or hibbies without any form of communication or tactics?

wel, it happened to me more then once...

and that is not the way it should be i think

Oh i quite disagree on that. Sure real RvR is compeltely different. But Braemar is the first time for some to fight intelligent mobs . There they might learn that they cant protect a healer by attacking the fulltank that is after him with their scout and breaking mezz and then root.
They might learn a bit about the classes of the enemie realm. Ahhh this dwarf with the small shield heals. Hmm he mezzes too. Quite interesting.
I see so many ppl in emain that cant tell the difference between a Healer and a Thane. ... but he wiggled his hand and casted!
But thats a minor problem i guess. Fjalla is right at the point that the main problem of Albion is the communication. Jibiel and me tried to form a big alliance in Albion as a communication base to organise leveling, raids and RvR. To cut a long story short, after 4 months that we tried to get the guilds in Albion together just one single guild decided to join our alliance. Guild A does not want to join if guild B is in. Guild C just joins with B. D joins just if everyone is in but not E. And so on... Jibiel now left Albion and I personally were really fed up. Maybe the current situation will make the ppl think about that matter again differently.
Another think very widespread in Albion is not to listen so anyone. Wheather you are new to the game or not. You can always learn someting. Dont feel insulted if someone gives you tips about the game. The person might be right.

one more time i agree with alan ^^

it's really to late to learn in emain that you can stick, assist, that hits break mezz, that debuffs don't break, that a lurikeen is not a midgard, that if a celt is stealther it's a ranger and cant be shadowblade, that shaman=buff and healer=heal, that a pally has to put endu on when INC is said in group chat, that you have to look group chat when enemies can be around, to recognize disease/dot/mezz in group window, to know where is the ranger you just have to follow arrow or unselect target and make face, to know disease is a 10% snare and so when shamy on the best way to kill is area snare/disease/mezz/root+stun,

and i personaly i think pally 2 handed is not so sucky you say, it's a choice, anyway you wont be hited, so why not put some more dammages. i played pally just one time till 30 and was my first char so i dont really know that char, just i don't like to play, but i think a template 45chants/42 shield/34TH/25wapon should be oki.

you can say mercenary with shield really sucks, but i enjoy my sucky mercenary. i think that is not objective thinks to know but is just a choice.and there much more important things to know.

@Alandrian: Without wanting to flame: AV/OoL (Jibiel) example of ignoring questions in RvR, regarding grouping aren't the best way to convince others of the great ally... And as good as this guilds are in RvR they don't share their knowledge. They didn't even wanted me in their group (I was level 46), when I was in their guild.. And they keep telling other RvR groups they should do RvR on their own. (ok, mainly Salpikon/Cassim)

Perhaps that is the reason of ppl not wanting to get help from this as arrogant perceived players.

Anyways there is no solution to the problem, the community (not the guild) can't be changed. If it wanted to be different it would't be like now. So Albion can't restore its strentgh by itself and the Admins said they won't do anything neither.

i don't know what admins could do to help albion. giving xp bonus is the worst solution, we don't need more people, we need more experimented players... if you give xp bonus, all he new players will come albion...

maybe some players would switch realm too... but very few i think( if somebody wanna switch, send me in game and i help you as i can)

the L group (so called) was a bit such i group i was talking about, just some player well experimented with chars useful together. topa at level 46 you were quite new on server and had few experience of rvr, and armsman is usualy not the most needed char in a group, so maybe didn't you have your place in such a group at this moment.

to give knowledge, i think it's the job of guild mates. or you can learn it in leveling and rvr, but so maybe would it be less friendly.

ok, so we need some good players to teach us the basics, best place to do this is braemar or wilton i think...
why don't you guy's start a thread to form a group, set a date and hour and tell us noobs what to do, how to do it and when to do it.

it could be a lot of fun for all of us

i'm shure middies or hibbies would not mind to fight a group of albies in braemar

so one leader, telling us what to do, go and try it out, get killed, talk about what went wrong and do it better....

so we need teachers for RvR shool

this could be fun you know

just my 2 cents

monty

i take a place for your experimental group monty if you agree(panachoigneur cleric 30)

As I posted in another thread more ppl IS a solution. Good RvR isn't about having the same numbers, but being equally strong. If the Albs need 20 ppl to be as strong as one Midgroup, so be it.

RvR school is a nice idea, though. I doubt I is realizeable, but nice