Ideas to improve the current RvR situation No. X

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catania
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Postby catania » Jul 31, 2010 15:38

The hardcore 8mens are trying to etablish even more their playstyle. instant port into rvr wil not increase the numbers of players in rvr it will just allow those that actually are part of rvr to be back in combat faster. in my view the hardcore 8mens are the main reason rvr is empty.

they complain if realmmates add "their" fights, they run out of combat if relmates add to let em die! they are rude if you do not play with their verry selfish "honorcode". if you do not share their view of honorcode then they will cut you and blame you whereever they can. to be honest all they want is incoming enemies in group of 8s lined up for their easykills. but they do not like to share them with realmates. the 8mens from same realms start fighting about their fights and so fort. in my view this game shouldnt be like that. that 8men mentality is destroying rvr.

remember zergevents? how many players showed up? where are they when there is no zerg event? and now ask yourself WHY they dont take part of rvr if there is no zergevent? i am sure the answer is not the porttime.

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Postby Bloodwyne » Jul 31, 2010 15:59

Bloodwyne wrote:also i wanna say that this thread has nothing to do with the attitude of players. its about the rvr zone not the mentality... i agree that it needs more than just better conditions of the rvr zone to increase the fun for everyone, yes the mentality of the people and their attitude towards rvr, pvp or whatever is a big part of it too, but nothing that could be changed by a forum thread. if you wanna change peoples attitude or try to make them understand what they do is not good for the whole, then talk to them one by one. but please dont use this thread for this, theres noone who can give a solution to this in here so please focus on the topic.
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Postby Feelit » Jul 31, 2010 16:41

Bloodwyne wrote:
Bloodwyne wrote:also i wanna say that this thread has nothing to do with the attitude of players. its about the rvr zone not the mentality... i agree that it needs more than just better conditions of the rvr zone to increase the fun for everyone, yes the mentality of the people and their attitude towards rvr, pvp or whatever is a big part of it too, but nothing that could be changed by a forum thread. if you wanna change peoples attitude or try to make them understand what they do is not good for the whole, then talk to them one by one. but please dont use this thread for this, theres noone who can give a solution to this in here so please focus on the topic.
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so now you wanna say that catania is not on topic ? as i was not on topic?

just because we have a different opinion and think that instant ports wont increase the RvR?

tbh , its kinda obviously that instant port timers will bring like 5-10 new ppl to RvR which else wouldnt be there , and that its more a personal interest for those that are RvRing at the moment anyway, and not a *idea of fixing the current rvr situation* for you.

again zarkor stated it perfeclty ,.. and noone taking his arguements or just have no clue how to respond to them

i also quit playing on uthgard for a month because:

- i dont wanna be forced to form a fixed grp
- i dont wanna wait 30-60minutes for the perfect setup
- i dont wanna search *decent* replacement for the ragequitters after every wipe

RvR is mostly 8vs8 atm ; since there is no casual RvR ---> RvR is more a timesink than time thats *fun* for me (and i guess all those others that dont RvR regularly but were theree on the zerg event)

instant port times wont help with it ,.. cause its the groupbuilding that takes even longer than the port /run time to emain ,..

again,... my last post was absolutly not off topic ,..
but if everything which isnt answering on: "you wish to get instant ports?" is offtopic:
here my answer : No.

offtopic (now!) : bawww there are several ppl playing on uthgard that got bugfree rdy servers ,.. they just need players , for 8vs8vs8 or 8vs8 ,.. maybe you would be more satisfied gathering 8-16 ppl and make your 8vs8 there,... if thats daoc 2010 for you now ;P

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Postby Darwinkx » Jul 31, 2010 16:43

Good idea! It's worth a try and hey, if it doesn't work, no harm done, right?

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Postby elTakapiru » Jul 31, 2010 17:04

Insta port would be nice, since none likes waiting. And u might even change to other zone too if enemies go there. Atm none cba to change zone since its so troublesome.

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Postby bawww » Jul 31, 2010 17:05

Feelit wrote:again zarkor stated it perfeclty ,.. and noone taking his arguements or just have no clue how to respond to them


I had a wall of text written to answer zarkor and catania, but then I read what bloodwyne said and I didn't want to go more offtopic.

TL;DR version: You guys need a timemachine that will get you to 2001., not casuals in rvr.
Apoc315 wrote:The Theurge play is way more easy than a zerk

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Postby DarkRef » Jul 31, 2010 17:37

catania wrote:The hardcore 8mens are trying to etablish even more their playstyle. instant port into rvr wil not increase the numbers of players in rvr it will just allow those that actually are part of rvr to be back in combat faster. .


You are saying that we want this fast port timer so...so when we have DIED (thats right....died) we can come back into RvR faster.

Or are you saying that we want our RP/Hour to increase because of the fact that the Mid/Hib PUG will port faster so we can kill them again (and again and again), and that's our fault?

So...back on topic.

Why do so many people chose to play in BGs and not Emain?

A couple reasons:

1. Instant port timers means no waiting (waiting is always boring).
2. The layout of the maps means theres more chance for other types of RvR, such as 1v1, 2v1, 4v4, 14v23

(and the myth told by many forum posters that us super hardcore players that pee in bottles on our desk drive those casuals away)

Both of these reasons is why RvR in the current situation is a bit...black and white. Griselda has posted 2 solutions which will fix this, and hopefully introduce a bit of variety into lvl 50 RvR, which will in turn, increase the population of it.

simples.

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Postby Amisch » Jul 31, 2010 18:27

i definatly /sign Griselda and the Community in the point to bring back Instant Teleporters.
Also the Idea with the Porter Keeps in the own Homezones are very nice, i guess this changes would be gladly welcomed by the hole community.

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Postby Kiruto » Jul 31, 2010 18:35

I'm ok with griselda and i sign too. This idea is awesome, it's really boring to wait porting.

Lysia.

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Postby Ragabbash » Jul 31, 2010 18:39

I completely agree with the idea, most people are waiting for the porter afk, then why would we wait?


+ For my side

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Postby Chrissi » Jul 31, 2010 18:51

Very good Idea, since I'd like to see all the 3 zones used for RvR and not only Emain.

+ from my side.


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Postby Lissi » Jul 31, 2010 18:52

i agree with gris
is nice ideas

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Postby Zarkor » Jul 31, 2010 18:59

DarkRef wrote:Why do so many people chose to play in BGs and not Emain?

A couple reasons:

1. Instant port timers means no waiting (waiting is always boring).
2. The layout of the maps means theres more chance for other types of RvR, such as 1v1, 2v1, 4v4, 14v23

(and the myth told by many forum posters that us super hardcore players that pee in bottles on our desk drive those casuals away)


Refref you can't be serious.

The timers aren't the problem. The layout isn't the problem.

The real problem is the lack of worthwhile end RvR possibilities outside of maximised FGs or stealther (zerg) action, especially for the newer or more casual players.


Making ports instant will not bring players back from BGs. It will not magicly give everyone a competent group and it will definately not make smallman RvR flourish. People will still be whining for that last slot to get their FG optimised and people will still prefer going to BGs for the same reasons they are doing now.

All it will do is create a short new end RvR player influx that disappears after about a month once they realise nothing has changed besides the fact that the organised FGs temporarily get more RPs/hour than they would have without the insta ports.




Just to clarify, I'm not opposed to this idea. I'm just pointing out that it's not a solution. It's luxury to those who are already settled in end RvR more than anything else..

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Postby Blejs » Jul 31, 2010 19:04

I dont see any negative stuff with that change atleast.

I used to play on teh freeshard instant50 before, and it´s prolly the best daoc pvp experince i had. Was just alot of action 24/7

I would even make it a step further, instead of just short teleport. Just make ppl able to bind at the teleport keeps. I belive that how it was at instant50.

As hibbi tho you had to run from ligen i think, so maybe sort a bindstone at bolg.

The main reason why it aint that great pvp action is that ppl are doing other stuff instead 24/7. Leveling new chars, gearing up. So what´s needed to get those ppl is imo perhaps half the leveling time.

To stop ppl gearing up 24/7 might be a more tricky pony tho. But easy stuff would be to increase some current DF items value abit. Meaning easier to sort your template out.


Tho i am all for instant50, and gear ready etc. But that i dont see happening here, so these other suggestions i mentions would imo make this a more enjoyable time for everyone.

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Postby Feelit » Jul 31, 2010 19:43

imo the port timer solution to "fix" rvr situation is a bit .....
DarkRef wrote:...black and white.

xD

Zarkor wrote:Making ports instant will not bring players back from BGs. It will not magicly give everyone a competent group and it will definately not make smallman RvR flourish. People will still be whining for that last slot to get their FG optimised and people will still prefer going to BGs for the same reasons they are doing now.

All it will do is create a short new end RvR player influx that disappears after about a month once they realise nothing has changed besides the fact that the organised FGs temporarily get more RPs/hour than they would have without the insta ports.

Just to clarify, I'm not opposed to this idea. I'm just pointing out that it's not a solution. It's luxury to those who are already settled in end RvR more than anything else..


100% agree. thats what i wanted to express , actually .

as i ve already wrote :


feelit wrote:so im pretty sure this just cuts down the downtime for those that take part in the end game RvR already , but anyway im for trying it for 1-2month ;)


and now when griselda told me that he started this thread after he talked to the staff
which means that it is possible that this will be introduced ;)


here my +
again

althou im sure there s much more to do to "fix" RvR situation ;)

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