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Hedra wrote:Mostly because mids have shaman resists ^^

and a ench a 50% heat debuff

i didnt get the point

or a hybrid setup for you is a ment instead of chanter?

Elayia wrote:I think hybrid should go with menta / eld too, as for the tanks I guess I don't play hib so I don't know
BUt even if most of us don't play hib, we kinda know what is the most annoying thing to fight vs hib groups.
and a hib hybrid group shouldn't have more trouble dealing with mid tank spam than alb hybrid...

That's just how I feel, may be wrong

hib is missing the rupt
theurg pets
higher ranged shears
and cabby rr5 pet

due to this mids groups are not able to push that hard than vs hib grps
since in hib grps we just got a bunch of pets that get easily CCed

i agree that hib hybrid setups is the way to go ,.. when its played very well and all know about how to play it well

i prefer fighting mid tank grps as a hybrid grp more over alb hybrid grps

but ofc our bard needs sos 3 to counter the mids sos 3 in tank grp ;P

vs other mid tank grps with just sos1 ,.. we dont have any problems ,.
a good and long kite/prekite helps

Feelit wrote:

Hedra wrote:Mostly because mids have shaman resists ^^

and a ench a 50% heat debuff

i didnt get the point

or a hybrid setup for you is a ment instead of chanter?

Why not ? What does an enchant bring against alb ? ^^

Removes equipment resis?

hibs setups are the weakest imo :p.

d/d/b/hero/eld/ench/ment/ani
d/d/b/hero/bm/vw/eld/ench

you would run a menta without an ench?

Rasta wrote:d/d/b/hero/bm/vw/eld/ench

not good imo
take eld/eld or, yes, eld/ment

the ench in this setup is not worth it, even if its you

Ench is better against mids because a ment (and the eld you need anyways) will do crap damage without him.

Ment is better against albs because the debuff isn´t really needed and the ranged pet clear and demezz come in handy.

Decent hib setups are impossible anyway. Mainly because there is no good rupt class and no QC root in hib.

Jarysa wrote: no QC root in hib.

Animist

Unfortunately you need the chanter unless you want your casters to do 250 per nuke on mid groups, maybe 300-350 a nuke on alb groups. Grouping a ment over a chanter is better for group utility sure, but will decrease a hib grps already very low dps (relative to the other realms) even more so. Unfortunately demezz is pretty much needed in a kite group because if the bard gets mezzd he will be out of the fight as the group kites back more. And with no interupts and endo the fight ends soon.

Imo, and I haven't played this setup effectively enough yet, hibs should go
b/d/d(nature)/hero/bm(or warden)/vw/eld/ench(or high RR ment)

stick the hero and VW on tanks and have the casters assist down the tanks...while the bm floats on tanks and inc support. The VW is good to stick on tanks with the hero cause he has a good backstun and disease, and imo does better dmg (especially to tanks) with the dd style procs.

I'd consider grouping a warden even instead of floating bm to just help group survivability. After all, making a hib hybrid group rather than caster group is ultimately trying to increase survivability rather than group dmg. I really feel that wardens without slam on this server REAAAALLLYYY hurt hib groups because they increase hib group's survivability by a crapp ton, which is one of the reasons why they are more successful on live.

With these setups I think hib groups could push on alb groups more effectively because as of now, Hib groups are all extending alb groups and this is an incredible disadvantage. Hibs extending alb groups is an immediate uphill battle because every single one of their support and casters have far superior range to all hib classes but eld. Yet some people believe that even hib hybrid groups must extend alb groups here but on paper this is daoc tactical suicide.

I think too many people are convinced that hibs must group BMs...but they don't have the raw firepower of zerkers and lack the interupts of an alb group's theurg pets to help them take things down. On live most of the better hib groups don't even run bms. Instead, they run champs/vw/vamps. DET 5 really isnt that needed if you just use your purge 3's on roots. Unfortunately champs suck here, vws don't have ae disease, and vamps are nonexistant.

As we experimented against KT with my hib grp, if you kite, you're dead.
Against alb you must push and push rly hard

gotta love daoc theory. just play with the guys you enjoy playing with and stop seeking for the ultimate setup, spec, whatever.

dinj wrote:gotta love daoc theory. just play with the guys you enjoy playing with and stop seeking for the ultimate setup, spec, whatever.

I guess discussion is pointless than!!!

If your group doesnt succeed than 9 times out of 10 people will not enjoy playing, even if it is with people you like. Otherwise why would you play the game rather than just having a real life with people you enjoy.

So to have fun (in the long run) you must win, and to win (especially on this server) setup is extremely important. People don't have the patience to just play whatever they like and have fun. RVR at 50 isn't really casual here.

There are plenty of nights where I don't care what setup I run and I don't really care about winning because I'm having fun in vent or ts or whatever. However, over the long run, if you are competitive at all then losing ends up making tempers flare and enjoyment turns into rage quitting.

dinj wrote:gotta love daoc theory. just play with the guys you enjoy playing with and stop seeking for the ultimate setup, spec, whatever.

I like to play with Dinjir, he makes me feel like I am walking on air!

Yeah, me too! And he's just four lifetaps :D