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Postby Toblerone » Feb 18, 2010 21:50

silenced wrote:Did you know, that DAoC is NOT an 8vs8 game? Go play GuildWars for stuff like that ...


May the Zerg be with us!


It's not a zerg game either. It's realm vs realm. People who play decide in what way they want to play it. I chose the most challenging, fair and fun way to play.

Weia wrote:Oh yes, sure, that wouldn't be a 'gankgroup' then. The correct name for what you describe there is, of course, a 'hypothetical group'. :P


Maybe in your case it's hypothetical, but in reality it's very much possible. Maybe if you spent more time playing than browing "big daoc forums" you'd know :wink:

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Postby Weia » Feb 18, 2010 22:03

Toblerone wrote:
Weia wrote:Oh yes, sure, that wouldn't be a 'gankgroup' then. The correct name for what you describe there is, of course, a 'hypothetical group'. :P


Maybe in your case it's hypothetical, but in reality it's very much possible. Maybe if you spent more time playing than browing "big daoc forums" you'd know :wink:


An 8 man group not attacking groups with fewer players ? Like groups with 5 to 7 players ? Often enough that it's worth mentioning ? Sorry, but I really don't think it's me that needs to play more :P

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 18, 2010 22:08

People who run with 7 expect to fight 8man groups, and they will engage them. What is the 8man supposed to do, kite them to their portal keep ? Still, it's not a gank.

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Postby Weia » Feb 18, 2010 22:15

Toblerone wrote:People who run with 7 expect to fight 8man groups, and they will engage them. What is the 8man supposed to do, kite them to their portal keep ? Still, it's not a gank.


And people that run with 4 expect to fight 5 man stealther groups, and will engage them when they can.
Still not enough differences to make a big distinction there.

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 18, 2010 22:27

Nobody runs 4man groups expecting a fair fight. People running groups like that only aim to add fights and GANK soloers and duos.

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Postby Weia » Feb 18, 2010 22:39

Toblerone wrote:Nobody runs 4man groups expecting a fair fight. People running groups like that only aim to add fights and GANK soloers and duos.


And that means what exactly ? You can gank people that gank others, or that expect to be ganked, or that should expect to be ganked, without being a ganker yourself, as long as you run in a group of 8, and are not a stealther ? It's getting confusing :grin:

I think I'll just stick to the classic usage of the term in daoc context, without thinking too much about what else it could mean. And if I ever meet one of those hypothetical groups, that is so nice to never attack enemies with fewer numbers, and really takes offense at being called a gankgroup, I'll just apologize to them :)

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Postby tharid » Feb 19, 2010 13:54

Toblerone wrote:
tharid wrote:q.e.d.


Just because I've been only only one on uthgard doesn't mean I'm noob at it. You can't be noob at it. If you are, you have a mental disability.

It's like saying someone is noob at breathing because they don't try hard. If you can't breathe, you have a disorder in your respiratory system.


Wrong comparison.

If you have had followed my argumentation, you would have noticed that I called you a noob because you attended a relic raid only once and therefore have no experience in such things.
So it would be more like saying someone is noob at breathing because they don't try more than once, not because they don't try hard (because it's boring).
Therefore you would have a disorder in your mental system called ignorance.

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 19, 2010 14:04

Relic raiding is nothing more than a combination of zerg rvr and keep sieging. I've done plenty of both, probably more than you can imagine, and got sick of how mind numbing it is. It's nothing special, there's nothing so great or complicated about it. You speak of ignorance yet apply it so greatly. Not that I'd expect any better from a lemming who is still playing daoc like it's the year 2001. and failed to evolve.

Like it or not games evolve too, "evenly fair" or 8v8 rvr is the final stage of daoc rvr evolution. If you want to stay up in the trees and poke fleas out of your friends' fur thinking you're better than the others because you poked the most fleas, by all means go ahead :lol:

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Postby danteafk » Feb 19, 2010 15:58

what a facepalm

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Postby zaszeadora » Feb 19, 2010 16:35

Toblerone wrote:Relic raiding is nothing more than a combination of zerg rvr and keep sieging. I've done plenty of both, probably more than you can imagine, and got sick of how mind numbing it is. It's nothing special, there's nothing so great or complicated about it. You speak of ignorance yet apply it so greatly. Not that I'd expect any better from a lemming who is still playing daoc like it's the year 2001. and failed to evolve.

Like it or not games evolve too, "evenly fair" or 8v8 rvr is the final stage of daoc rvr evolution. If you want to stay up in the trees and poke fleas out of your friends' fur thinking you're better than the others because you poked the most fleas, by all means go ahead :lol:


When do you left Mythic´s job of game developer?

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 19, 2010 16:40

^ Obviously somebody missed the fact that players also evolve, not just the game with patches.

Take starcraft for example, 12 year old game that evolved from just an rts to being a national sport and #1 spectator sport in South Korea while the game hasn't changed all that much. It's the players who made it so good.

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Postby tharid » Feb 19, 2010 16:46

Toblerone wrote:Relic raiding is nothing more than a combination of zerg rvr and keep sieging. I've done plenty of both, probably more than you can imagine, and got sick of how mind numbing it is.


That's ok for me, I cannot nor will change your opinion about this style of playing.

Toblerone wrote:Not that I'd expect any better from a lemming who is still playing daoc like it's the year 2001. and failed to evolve.


Well, I played DAoC like the circumstances allowed me to. I played in fixed groups more than the half of my DAoC-life , and I love 8vs8 and its tactical mechanics just as much as others do here. So I would say I envolved more than others did here.

Toblerone wrote:Like it or not games evolve too, "evenly fair" or 8v8 rvr is the final stage of daoc rvr evolution.


No it is not. It is the "final stage" (I'd use it in a more negative way than you did) of community evolution.
People are looking for challenges, and 8vs8 is, superficially, the most challenging and "easiest to get" play style in DAOC. In early times people got satisfied by raiding Caer Sidi or camping Dun Crauchon.

I speak for myself when I say that I did have lots of challenging fights in 8vs8, zerg and sieging aswell. If you haven't made such experiences, I feel really bad for you, because you missed some of the aspects of this game. If you are happy with your 8vs8 thing, that's ok for me.

But please, don't condemn people for something they get their fun from and you don't have a f^cking clue.

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 19, 2010 16:58

tharid wrote:
Toblerone wrote:Like it or not games evolve too, "evenly fair" or 8v8 rvr is the final stage of daoc rvr evolution.


No it is not. It is the "final stage" (I'd use it in a more negative way than you did) of community evolution.


And what does rvr make up from if not the community. You said the same thing I did only in different words.

I haven't missed out on any experiences in daoc, it's experiencing them which made me hate them.

I'm not condemning anyone, by all means I have nothing against people zerging keeps, just stay out of areas where civilised people are trying to have fun ^^

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Postby zaszeadora » Feb 19, 2010 17:09

Toblerone wrote:
tharid wrote:
Toblerone wrote:Like it or not games evolve too, "evenly fair" or 8v8 rvr is the final stage of daoc rvr evolution.


No it is not. It is the "final stage" (I'd use it in a more negative way than you did) of community evolution.


And what does rvr make up from if not the community. You said the same thing I did only in different words.

I haven't missed out on any experiences in daoc, it's experiencing them which made me hate them.

I'm not condemning anyone, by all means I have nothing against people zerging keeps, just stay out of areas where civilised people are trying to have fun ^^


You are being so snoobish sorry, we have all fun, if our fun is not your ideal of fun its your problem not ours, we are not leaving our playstile to make you happy, this a RVR game, not guild wars , thats why daoc on live had a degeneration cause of "elite" guild grps and decacende of casual players, let me say you : just stay out of areas where civilised people are trying to have fun ^^

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 19, 2010 17:15

Daoc died slowly because of WoW release. No guild out there could prevent people from zerging, what are you talking about. Zerglings who quit daoc didn't quit because a guild pressured them out of rvr but because they figured out daoc was not for them and moved on. Same goes for anyone who did quit.

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