i just don't understand why you complain so much?!
the game is still fine its just the ppl not realizing that you should play instead of QQ
there is nothing to make better imo
cause if you change something you would probably make it worse and not better

The game is not fine. The casual end RvR is non existant. I'm not "QQing" about it, I'm trying to find ways to fix this. It's possible, I'm 100% sure of this.

And no, it's not the players mentality. If it was the players it would have been fixed months ago, when people called out to go casual RvR in odins. It lasted for a few weeks, but then it stopped because there was no real solution, just a short attempt to solve things through pure mentality. It's proven NOT to work, so stop pretending that it does. It just shows how little you know about how to solve the issue, this goes for all of you who claim it to be some sort of brainfart that needs fixing.
Someone pointed out that a player can only follow the path that is set out to him by the game itself and have a specific margin inside that path, that is how games work and you can not change that fact. It's like pretending that you can pass through a road with a dead end just by thinking it will work. It doesn't, simple as that.

It's probably the biggest problem Uthgard has. It's the biggest reason why players either leave the server or leave end RvR.

For a game that relies on PvP so much, this is all but fine. I'd call it close to a disaster.


It's like a society with no middle class, just the elite and the poor. It ain't healthy.

Zarkor wrote: I actually specificly said that casual players do not want to compete in Emain. They want to enjoy themselves in a whole different league. A league that is currently inexistant.

Simply not the truth, as already said in my post above, i have seen lots of casual players forming grps to raid keeps in hw/odins to get some inc, and if there are grps, that try emain and see that they can't compete, they move to other zones, i've seen that quite often. I'm in rvr at primetime 3-7 times a week, and i constantly see deathblows in odins/hw.
And if not ? raid keeps and get DF you will get inc for sure.

Casual RvR in OF is pretty senseless thats true, this can be solved by NF which is much more casual friendly.

Nef Melody wrote:casual players forming grps to raid keeps in hw/odins to get some inc

This says it all really. There is no sustained, established casual RvR, players have to work to create it, this goes against the very principle of casual RvR.

The fact that there are players willing to invest their time and effort into that is .. well, good for them. But for so many others who have either already left the server, went to the BGs or whatever because they can't afford to sacrifice that amount of time and work in order to possibly find casual RvR, the problem is still there.

The fact that some people beat the odds is no proof to say there's nothing wrong.

It's like saying some people survived the plague, so there's no problem with it.

but it always was like this zark
you always had to fight to get a good grp running most of the time establishing the grp was harder than fighting the enemy

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That is fun casual RvR.
Was there with my lvl 48 cab ("full" templated with a 2-3pp template) in a Thid group of 5 players level 48-49.

If keep taking are encouraged, casuals will be able to have more fun.

so zarkor to be constructive:

define the problem

find the root of the problem or describe it in short and understandable terms.

find a solution

and pls consider i will only read your post if its less than lets say 50lines of text because i don't have infinite amount of time thats why i wrote short.

Akip wrote:so zarkor to be constructive:

define the problem

find the root of the problem or describe it in short and understandable terms.

find a solution

and pls consider i will only read your post if its less than lets say 50lines of text because i don't have infinite amount of time thats why i wrote short.

He did. He just likes to be thorough and that makes the post long. Imho it's kinda stupid to acvtively post in this topic if u haven't read the first post. Clearly you can't be productive like this.. so why are u wasting ur time here at all?

I agree that there is a problem here... But rather then argue for or against all of the points made here why not just make suggestions on how to help? Compliment the good ones, ignore the bad.

The Emain bonus has been working the last few nights...
Would adding a Rp bonus around keeps help? Maybe to both groups fighting or just the defending group?

Another idea may be some sort of community/joint realm agreement? Specific time, zone or colored cloaks for those < RR5? This could be something the community could try rather then waiting for some custom change.

Itzoweezi

pweet wrote:Casual RvR in OF is pretty senseless thats true, this can be solved by NF which is much more casual friendly.

Please stop that nonsense.

I only came back to uthgard due to OF ^^

Blue wrote:

pweet wrote:Casual RvR in OF is pretty senseless thats true, this can be solved by NF which is much more casual friendly.

Please stop that nonsense.

Please implement duo/smallmen rvr again.

Ino wrote:Please implement duo/smallmen rvr again.

It's possible in OF too, there just isn't a consensus yet about how exactly.

This is my idea so far of how it could work: http://uthgard.net/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=249295#p249295.

Nef Melody wrote:I only came back to uthgard due to OF ^^

Me too, but to my mind NF is much more casual friendly
But in general, daoc is not a good game for casual gamers anyway.