Ino wrote:

MadCap wrote:fair play is the only way to have a good PvP game...
by adding and zerging u can only waste players' time.

chasing 4 hibs as fg alb from amg to mmg is no fair play!

If youre with celteen then you can make that 2 fga that will chase your adding biatchass.

Braxis wrote:

Ino wrote:

MadCap wrote:fair play is the only way to have a good PvP game...
by adding and zerging u can only waste players' time.

chasing 4 hibs as fg alb from amg to mmg is no fair play!

If youre with celteen then you can make that 2 fga that will chase your adding biatchass.

ololololol

funny to read here about fair 8vs8 ...
mostly from high RR grps. is ist fair to inc a RR3 grp and dropping your RA's .... ??
Just keep in mind that some adds make a slaughter to a descent fight.

I have scenes in mind were many of the so called 8vs8 grps tried to avoid the harder enemy grps and gank some low RR PUG's right in crua ...

Grps running with 8 men is fine and good .. but a strictly non adding Enviroment is mostly boring ... for most of the grps.

I personally prefer to not add a descent and fair fight, but have aboluteley no Problem to add a fight where a RR11 grp is slaughtering a lowlvl random PUG.

Tankqull wrote:not the casual zerg is the problem, but the short minded rr9++ set groups beeing unable to switch the zone to get their 8vs8, but sticking the zerg to maximize their rp outcome per hour.

This
Zerg is good for the server, more RvR for everybody. If you get smashed by the zerg and dont wont to grp up, change the zone and you ll see that ur "fair" 8v8 community is so small that it is not a sustainable system
I mean this discussion is older than Uthgard, look at live servers, there are zones with 8v8 and zones with Zerg and there are the good players. So learn of them and change ur zone but then dont complain about not beeing top10 in RPLW.

Ashoris wrote: Grps running with 8 men is fine and good .. but a strictly non adding Enviroment is mostly boring ... for most of the grps.

I personally prefer to not add a descent and fair fight, but have aboluteley no Problem to add a fight where a RR11 grp is slaughtering a lowlvl random PUG.

So true ,i 'll add this is all about balance: like there is not point in forming a group where there's only soloers out, it's also pointless to make up a zerg when there's only 1 enemy fg roaming etc...
Then i also don't mind if 2 low rr group merge to kill a high RR one (3 group start to be tought, just remind there's no MLs to help with the kite here) , even if (sorry i say that every time), a highrank group can be deafeated by a low one.

fighting with high RR when u start to play in a long time server it' common
and, from my point of view, i won t be angry or disband if i lose an inc with an high RR setup.
What makes me that is when I am fighting and I am added/zerged by all pp who are are roaming around.
and BTW we have always been zerged by all kind of pp (high rr, low rr, medium rr) and we are 4L RR,
do u need help to kill us? are we so good, i really don't think so

MadCap wrote: and BTW we have always been zerged by all kind of pp (high rr, low rr, medium rr) and we are 4L RR,

To sum up very shortly -and from my pov- there's 2 types of Daoc players:
- people having fun just by winning RPs
- people having fun when they have challenging fights.

And unfortunately the RR as no link with the type of players you belong to.

all this talking about fair play blah blah... this debate will never be settled, ever.
First of all, define fair - if by fair you mean 8vs8, then there is nothing fair about that unless you have reasonably matched groups in terms of realm rank.

There is more than one well-known guild/group on this server that runs at the most unusual hours - not to get fair fights mind you, but to steam-roll random PUGs and small men which otherwise wouldn't even dare go out during prime time. These groups to me do not fall under the '8vs8' neticette. A good example of a group that more or less sticks to an 'honor code' (stupid term to use in a computer game btw) is Rare and while this is not always possible, I would usually not try to add their fights. The polar opposite to me would be Black Adders - which made a name for themselves over a long time for adding and camping and generally zerging the ****** out of the AMG; but now that they want to be pro 8vs8 players, suddenly they should be treated with respect? Yeah, I don't think so.

So this is simply not a black-and-white matter. And face it, if all these groups complaining here or elsewhere would simply communicate and rotate RvR zones, we wouldn't even have this discussion. But that's the point - then you would only be running against tough groups and that ruins the LWRP

Lasastard wrote:all this talking about fair play blah blah... this debate will never be settled, ever.
First of all, define fair

Fair is not killing soloers/duos/trios with FG/FG+. They don't have a FG and can't defend themselves from you.
Fair is not adding a 1v1 fight or a 2v2 fight or a 3v3 fight etc., no matter if you're solo or not. Yes, this one will reduce your LWRPs, but hey... you care about fun and not RPs, right?
Fair is not farming soloers/duos/trios/FGs with a zerg. Yes, this one would take away a lot of the rps zergs feast on, but again... zergs care about fun and not RPs, right?
Fair is not adding a zerg fight with your FG. Noone likes having your TS coordinated group assisting on the support of a zerg and ruining their fun.

My two cents on what fair is and also what I guide my attitude in RvR by. Although is hard like hell restraining myself from chasing rangers and other stealthers around AMG.

funny how people that have no respect for any player and never ever came close to a type of rvr that could be called fair, now try to defend themselves or justify their weak and unfair gameplay (best examples at the moment Celteen Killkeen Lasastard) by telling there is no fairness possible in daoc. If you think fairness = balance then you are right, just wanna let you know that those are 2 different words with totally different meanings. Fairness is sth starting in your head, you normally earn this skill when you do group sports or play games with friends. It comes also when you have the ability to feel how others feel and if you have a certain respect for people that you share time with in the same game/place you are in.

For example if you have respect for people that have only about 2 hours a day or even less to play this game and are only able to play a solo class as they might also have a girl/man/kids at home sometimes forcing them to be AFK. And people just roll over them, and simply ruining their only chance to have some fun in this game, or forcing them back to PvE Battlegrounds or a Stealthclass.

Or people that play this game as if it was a sport for them. They love it and spend alot of time in this game and mostly their aim is to be challenged and challenge others in a sportlike way. Thats basically what most 8 mens want.

People that play this game for nostalgic reasons, loving to Zerg or taking Keeps or doing Relic Raids. Well their fun can only be ruined by people being rude to them as they are the top of the foodchain when it comes to RvR. Not always but generally. And as they are the top of the foodchain they also have a bigger responsibility for other people in my point of view...equal with the 8 mans that are not as strong as zergs but are alot more often seen. Theres alot unnecessary rudeness towards "Zergers".

If Simply every player would be a bit more tollerant towards other playstyles but also keeps in mind how big the influence/pressure of his own playstyle is towards other playstyles, then we had a great community on a more or less good server.

There are also people out who take this game way to serious and wanna tell me its a sport
Can't see where I defend my playstyle. I don't need the allowance from anyone, especially not from you
Anyway I don't discuss my way to play the Game over and out =)
Edit:
Btw Lasa already slowed our RPs down by telling us to not add Rare and some others, so kinda funny you see him as one of the worst =)

Bloodwyne wrote:funny how people that have no respect for any player and never ever came close to a type of rvr that could be called fair, now try to defend themselves or justify their weak and unfair gameplay (best examples at the moment Celteen Killkeen Lasastard) by telling there is no fairness possible in daoc. If you think fairness = balance then you are right, just wanna let you know that those are 2 different words with totally different meanings. Fairness is sth starting in your head, you normally earn this skill when you do group sports or play games with friends. It comes also when you have the ability to feel how others feel and if you have a certain respect for people that you share time with in the same game/place you are in.
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I challenge you to play a small-men group during PT before you call us bad players, for starters. Then you are basing your entire rant here on some preconceived, and very subjective notion of what this game is supposed to be and how to play it. You feel that's best done in an eSport type fashion. Fair enough, that is YOUR choice. And as I said, I can even respect that because Rare is one of the very few groups that consequently sticks to this playstyle. I play as much FG as I do duo, trio etc. Do we kill solos, duos, trios when running small men? Sure, that happens. There is a line tho and some players are usually left alone, others are not. Because there is a much greater depth to this whole story that involves past experience with other players. All your precious solo players who have a girl/kids/whatever add like there is no tomorrow on any fight I've been having so quite frankly, that ship has sailed imho. On the other hand, over time you do differentiate between those geniuenly being fair players interested in e.g. 1vs1 and those just waiting to add. The former I am inclined to let go, the latter not.

And finally, if you set foot into the frontiers in Emain and go to AMG, well, don't know what to tell you. You wouldn't tell your kids to play ball on a freeway either...

Also, you should join us on TS sometime, we are really nice guys ^^

Yeeha and now neronoob is back again. Why the hell was his ban time reduced?

Tnx a lot to low rr Mids sticky to high RR grp ... nice zerg and tnx to waste our time again.
Hope u ll enjoy a lot playing with mobs in emain.

bb

There is quiet a killing spread of the mids, so i dont think they run without RP
Keep it up!