Tobletwo wrote:Odd, I personally killed you with my mentalist when we fought 2 fgs of mids with 1 group in uppland the few nights ago whenwe took your relics. Must have been somebody else playing your character ? And you've added plenty of "fair fights" if by fair you mean equal numbers, just yesterday you and another sb added one 8v8 fight and killed our theurgist.

I joined those 2 FG of mids because I got a group invite to "go fight hibs outside svasud." I have no issue with ganking horse-route campers.

And of course "even numbers" don't equal a fair fight. That's about the worst possible metric for fairness you can have in an MMO. IIRC the mids you attacked had just fought 2 Hib groups in quick succession (or maybe it was 1 alb and 1 hib). I didn't add on those fights. When your group attacked we decided to add because the mid group had burnt a lot of their RAs and may have had a rez sick or two.

I never said there's no game mechanic that doesn't allow lame gameplay it but I'm not saying that my preferred playstyle is according to the imaginary mythic holy bible either

Like I said, DAoC is ultimately designed for the lowest common denominator. That could be a 2v1, or a 8v3 or a 24v8. That is the only play style that is truly accommodated in DAoC.

Well mythic ever said play daoc and participate in epic battles. Epic mean zerg vs zerg. If they wanted people have only equal battles, they could implemented rvr restrictions. But this restrictions doesn`t exist. No one say that you only must do 8vs8, 1vs1 or 500vs500.

Yeah because a 5-10 minute long 8v8 is not an epic battle. But a 30 second long zerg vs zerg is truly epic

Seyha wrote:Like I said, DAoC is ultimately designed for the lowest common denominator. That could be a 2v1, or a 8v3 or a 24v8. That is the only play style that is truly accommodated for bad players in DAoC.

Fixed for more accuracy.

Seyha wrote:I joined those 2 FG of mids because I got a group invite to "go fight hibs outside svasud." I have no issue with ganking horse-route campers.

You thought we were camping horse route ? Worse off you thought there was 20 people camping horse route ?

Your whole post is excuses. Selective adding and zerging excuses after I proved you for a liar. Just accept it, you're an adder pure and simple. Just because you left a few people dueling alive doesn't make you a fair player really.

Toblerone stop calling players for bad players for having another mindset than your own.. consider this a warning and considering your last ban I would really put it at the top of my mind everytime you plan to post if I were you..

nixian wrote:Toblerone stop calling players for bad players for having another mindset than your own.. consider this a warning and considering your last ban I would really put it at the top of my mind everytime you plan to post if I were you..

Its imposible. He think that he is daoc expert, and rest are noobs.

Tobletwo wrote:You thought we were camping horse route ? Worse off you thought there was 20 people camping horse route ?

Your whole post is excuses. Selective adding and zerging excuses after I proved you for a liar. Just accept it, you're an adder pure and simple. Just because you left a few people dueling alive doesn't make you a fair player really.

Whatever dude. Next you'll be calling me a zerger for joining a Relic Raid.

nixian wrote:Toblerone stop calling players for bad players for having another mindset than your own.. consider this a warning and considering your last ban I would really put it at the top of my mind everytime you plan to post if I were you..

I'm not calling them bad for having a different mindset. I'm calling him bad because he claims he doesn't add or zerg then admits he does in the very next post. Lying is a bad thing, you should know that being this forum's most righteous warrior.

vangonaj wrote:He think that he is daoc expert, and rest are noobs.

Mostly true unfortunately.

Seyha wrote:

Zarkor wrote:RvR however includes 1v1s aswell as 8v8s and ZergvZerg fights. Just aswell as it includes ZergvSolo fights etc.

This is the biggest myth in DAoC. RvR is not designed for 1v1 or 3v3 or 8v8. If it were then these play styles would have their own unique contributions to make in RvR warfare. They do not.

RvR is designed for the absolute lowest common denominator zerg warfare. Everything about RvR in DAoC is founded on this principle. No accommodation of any sort is made for 1v1 or 8v8 but there is nothing to stop a zerg from rolling people all day.

All this E-Sports Pro 8v8 ONLY DON'T ADD OR I'LL FLAME YOU ON VN crap only came about after ToA gutted the casual player-base on Live. If you want set Group vs. Group with no adds then go play Guild Wars.

Learn to read dude. I said RvR INCLUDES xyz, not RvR is DESIGNED for xyz.

RVR doesnt really exist here because RVR is limited to emain and emain is limited to 8v8 really. If you include more bonuses for taking keeps and what not it will definitely attract the casuals and the zergs. And if you want epic large battles, incentive for taking keeps is definitely the way to go....just look at the bgs atm.

Honestly the GMs (IMO) just need to add more incentives for taking keeps. The most obvious thing would be realm points for each keep. This will attract the casuals towards level 50 RVR. Also, it will attract 8v8 pro gamers because they like to prey on people that flock to concentrated areas. At the moment the only really times where the server is really involved in RVR is during the relic raids, and those get the whole community involved. I think casuals enjoy this RVR as well as the pro guilds because they usually participate. When relic raids aren't going on, RVR only consists of stealther fights at gates and 8v8 fights between mostly set groups.

BTW im super hammered i hope this made sense!

Panchos wrote:RVR doesnt really exist here because RVR is limited to emain and emain is limited to 8v8 really. If you include more bonuses for taking keeps and what not it will definitely attract the casuals and the zergs. And if you want epic large battles, incentive for taking keeps is definitely the way to go....just look at the bgs atm.

Honestly the GMs (IMO) just need to add more incentives for taking keeps. The most obvious thing would be realm points for each keep. This will attract the casuals towards level 50 RVR. Also, it will attract 8v8 pro gamers because they like to prey on people that flock to concentrated areas. At the moment the only really times where the server is really involved in RVR is during the relic raids, and those get the whole community involved. I think casuals enjoy this RVR as well as the pro guilds because they usually participate. When relic raids aren't going on, RVR only consists of stealther fights at gates and 8v8 fights between mostly set groups.

BTW im super hammered i hope this made sense!

We do get RPs for capaturing a keep. 200 RPs for an unclaimed keep and 1250 RPs for a claimed keep. If an 8 man guild group takes a claimed keep, that's 10K RPs for the guild. IMO, the problem isnt lack of incentive to capature a keep. It's the lack of an incentive to defend.

splitting up the rvr zones on a classic daoc server ... omg.


very good, maybe the staff should implement battlefields for 8vs8 and arena for 1vs1 ... your are kidding, right?

this is daoc, play it as it is.

Tokk wrote:splitting up the rvr zones on a classic daoc server ... omg.


very good, maybe the staff should implement battlefields for 8vs8 and arena for 1vs1 ... your are kidding, right?

this is daoc, play it as it is.

that is not what people are proposing ..

Panchos wrote:RVR doesnt really exist here because RVR is limited to emain and emain is limited to 8v8 really.

this is what the 8men wishes !

emain is not a 8men zone, it is a free for all zone !

It's not a free for all zone I still can't attack members of my own realm.

If by free for all you mean free to add and ruin other people's fun, yeah I guess it is there's no rule against that.

nixian wrote:that is not what people are proposing ..

some of them are talking about 1vs1 and 8vs8 zones.