mfassben wrote:Blue,the reason it doesn´t land 100% on live is that on live the pets casts 2 different spells with the same animation, where 1 spell does and 1 spell doesn´t snare.Check the patchnotes for this info.So on Uth the pet should always snare the enemy.

On live the snare lands at the same time as the DD lands. They are not casted on different attempts. Wouldn't it be visible in that you see different damage when the other spell (snareDD, Zealots Snare) lands compared to the pure DD Moon Streak?

Also in the screenshot you see that Zealots snare has no damage component.

it got changed on live with 1.87.

Blue,check the patchnotes for this again (link provided in this topic).

Before 1.87 the Underhill Companion had 1 spell only: The Snare DD.With 1.87 it got another spell added, a pet version of Moon Blast. Since it can´t cast both at the same time, sometimes you get snared (when it uses its snare DD) and sometimes you don´t (when it uses its moonblast).That is the ONLY reason you are NOT permasnared on live when you test with the current Pets.On Uth (since Uth is 1.80 max) the Pet should only have one spell, the snare DD, and as a result snare any enemy with every succesfull cast.

I know the patch notes but did you read what I wrote? The snare and DD don't differ. The snare itself had no own damage component. If it would have a damage component it would have a lower damage compared to the Moon spell which is newer. And as far as I remember a snare with damage does not have "speed decrease" as function.

Game Over ?

Nice Thread again for ppl searching out on solutions for realm balance or what ?

Guys ... YOU are the one who made the diffrence .

There is no need in blaming other ppl for leaving hib and playing another realm . They can do like they want .
Pick out 20 Hibs like random at level 50 and you got like .... 10 Rangers , 6 Nightshades and then the poor rest ^^ Think of it
( yes i dont like Stealther very much but its also not there fault . Its just getting me a bit angry when you see how many ppl started a stealther class right now and dropped anything else . Its also there way to play the game ... also fine i guess )

The other point in my opinon is that Hib play only with well known ppl or those wo can count to the higher top or so .
You just accept classes to RvR who are told usefull .
Like some ppl said before of me ... give other classes a chance . You would even fill up the grp faster . Even give newcomer a chance to play or even let them show what they can do .

And if they are so bad as all say why dont tell them some tricks ? Not ever1 will listen but some will and so they will grow in skill .
Dont flame them or kick them without a word .... talk to them in a cleary way ( Capslock off ^^ and so on )

Besides ... some ppl dont left cause Hibernia is underpowered or something like that it`s cause of the ppl .... more and more .

Hope some ppl think of it

mfg. Medith

OF is whats making ppl roll stealthers more then usual.

Blue wrote:I know the patch notes but did you read what I wrote? The snare and DD don't differ. The snare itself had no own damage component. If it would have a damage component it would have a lower damage compared to the Moon spell which is newer. And as far as I remember a snare with damage does not have "speed decrease" as function.

What you see as effect is only the snare (35% speed decrease).
But the spell itself should have a damage component.
I think it's like the Suppression specline of the runemaster. The damage for the spec dmg+snare is the same as the base dds so it's lower than the "normal" spec dds.

Blue, the Pet always did damage with casts,even before 1.87. And it always had a Snare NUKE (similar to the Suppression DD of Runemasters,or the Mana DD of Elds). I don´t know if the Damage of the new spell is higher or lower, but for sure both casts of the Pet deal damage. There never was a pure snare that the pet casted.

This is not what I'm saying. I just tell that IF there are both spells active on the pet then it must be visible by different damage values from both spells.

Yes thats how it must be for the pet. The baseline nuke of eld has also the same delve as the dmg/snare nuke. So i don´t see why there has to be a difference in the dmg values.

2 - spells both same lvl and same delve

one has that snare effect the other doesn´t.

Well then wheres the point to give the pet another DD spell that would make the SAME damage as the already existing snareDD? Notice something?

for not snaring the whole time? (cause hib is to strong then )

Even if it was a nerf to the pet (and if both spells hit for the same damage its nothing else than this), it was nerfed after 1.87 and shouldn´t be implemented on Uth. And it even is a documented change in the Patchnotes. So i don´t really understand where the problem in fixing this lies?

The problem here is that Mythic propably did not nerf. All the fixes were not nerfs but loves. As I don't know the previous behaviour and damage it will get problematic to fix. When we suspect that the snareDD is still present on that pet as a standalone spell then it should be seen by old damage vs new damage.

I don´t know how i can proof to you that the old spell of the Pet was a snare DD since i can´t test it on live anymore.But i will try to find some evidence for it by searching VN Boards and stuff.Maybe some other players who experienced fights vs. Enchs (or played one themselves) could back me up on this.

Edit:

here we go:
http://vnboards.ign.com/daoc_general_bo ... 676172/p1/

The posts of RubberCement and slajzer are what back me up. They also say that the pet has a snare DD and a normal DD.

Since the normal DD was implemented later (as we can see by looking at the patch notes) its quite obvious that the pet should only have the snarenuke on Uth.