Force wrote:

Shav wrote:Well its obvious that old ras wont be implemented in a month or two (i doubt they will ever be on this server). There is also no clear deicision made yet so what this server needs its a blanace introduced quickly without waiting for things which may never happen. So lets exclude old ras from the discussion and focus on more realistic solutions?

I think old RAs are probably the most realistic solution at the moment. The staff doesn't seem interested in custom changes, and I can't blame them. Who is to decide what custom change would bring balance?

Since when old ras are custom change, when we dont have toa but his special implemented RAS?

Only watch the albo population doing rvr, now 6 on emain... half rogues, and this carry on, since last weeks, how can anyone talk about balance when usually alb and hib grps lose vs the hybrid mids grps with killing none? and dont talk about only skilled players go to play mid.

I don't know exactly what you're asking. I said Old RAs seem more probable of an implementation than a custom NF system, because the staff does not seem amenable to custom fixes.

I don't know how that makes you respond asking me, "since when OF is a custom change?"


I suppose its a custom change in that there isn't a live server against which it can be tested, so that while the end goal is to be live like, and not custom, the implementation of that system will be custom in some ways.

Force wrote:You've not explained in any way why alb/hib caster groups suffer compared to mid. Having to run from ligen is not a reason, our mid group roams all the way to ligen and back all the time.

Running 2 casters and light tanks is not a caster group. And mid hybrid groups depend less on their casters than hib hybrid group, because 2x svgs or svg+zerker can dish out way more dmg than 2xbm or bm+vw.
Not to mention that mids have the only groupable caster with 219 delve on specnuke (wizard is not groupable since it's utility comes down to root)

Force wrote:I think old RAs are probably the most realistic solution at the moment. The staff doesn't seem interested in custom changes, and I can't blame them. Who is to decide what custom change would bring balance?

Old RA's are custom by default.

zaszeadora wrote:

Force wrote:

Shav wrote:Well its obvious that old ras wont be implemented in a month or two (i doubt they will ever be on this server). There is also no clear deicision made yet so what this server needs its a blanace introduced quickly without waiting for things which may never happen. So lets exclude old ras from the discussion and focus on more realistic solutions?

I think old RAs are probably the most realistic solution at the moment. The staff doesn't seem interested in custom changes, and I can't blame them. Who is to decide what custom change would bring balance?

Since when old ras are custom change, when we dont have toa but his special implemented RAS?

Only watch the albo population doing rvr, now 6 on emain... half rogues, and this carry on, since last weeks, how can anyone talk about balance when usually alb and hib grps lose vs the hybrid mids grps with killing none? and dont talk about only skilled players go to play mid.

Still better than hib cause there are only stealthers ^^
And old ras will NEVER EVER be implemented here. If after 5 years all new ras arent working properly and staff is refusing to fix some of them how do you expect to reconstruct old ras without possibility to test it on working servers?

bawww wrote:

Running 2 casters and light tanks is not a caster group. And mid hybrid groups depend less on their casters than hib hybrid group, because 2x svgs or svg+zerker can dish out way more dmg than 2xbm or bm+vw.



Old RA's are custom by default.

we run 1 light tank, 2-3 casters all the time. The claim was not exclusive to hybrid groups, but caster/hybrid setups in mid.


Old RAs would be based on a live system, created by mythic, anything custom would have the original system as an ideal goal.


This is different from a custom NF system, in that the custom NF system has a totally custom vision in mind for the end goal.

bawww wrote:

Running 2 casters and light tanks is not a caster group. And mid hybrid groups depend less on their casters than hib hybrid group, because 2x svgs or svg+zerker can dish out way more dmg than 2xbm or bm+vw.
Not to mention that mids have the only groupable caster with 219 delve on specnuke (wizard is not groupable since it's utility comes down to root)


Old RA's are custom by default.

SAvage nerfed , berserker is nerfing , its time to qq about mid casters gogogo!

Stormha wrote:

bawww wrote:

Running 2 casters and light tanks is not a caster group. And mid hybrid groups depend less on their casters than hib hybrid group, because 2x svgs or svg+zerker can dish out way more dmg than 2xbm or bm+vw.
Not to mention that mids have the only groupable caster with 219 delve on specnuke (wizard is not groupable since it's utility comes down to root)


Old RA's are custom by default.

SAvage nerfed , berserker is nerfing , its time to qq about mid casters gogogo!

True, their spec dd delve should be lowered from 219 to 205 as long as other realms dont have fully working classes with such spell...

Stormha wrote:SAvage nerfed , berserker is nerfing , its time to qq about mid casters gogogo!

Nerfed ? How ? They're still the 2 hardest hitting tanks on uthgard by far.

In conclusion;


Mid caster groups are over powered because of savages and zerkers!1!11!ONE!

Don't know, I've yet to see a mid caster group on uthgard.

Toblerone wrote:Don't know, I've yet to see a mid caster group on uthgard.

we run one almost every day

Having 1-2 RMs is not a caster group.

Force wrote:In conclusion;


Mid caster groups are over powered because of savages and zerkers!1!11!ONE!

Actually yes cause even if you take casters you can group savage + zerk who deal as much damage as 4 alb/hib tanks ~~

Toblerone wrote:Having 1-2 RMs is not a caster group.

so what? we run 3 casters all the time.

Shav wrote:Actually yes cause even if you take casters you can group savage + zerk who deal as much damage as 4 alb/hib tanks ~~

if that duo had slam I might agree with you. But running 3+ casters with no slam isn't smart. So if you group a warrior, 3 casters, 2 healer, shaman, that leaves 1 spot. Savage, or zerker? Still = to 4 tanks?


Wait don't answer, im sure just running a savage is like running 2 BMs and a valewalker, like OMG so overpowered!

Force wrote:so what? we run 3 casters all the time.

You're great at hiding then.