I guess if Mythic boosted hunters melee abilities they simply placed them on a higher dmg-multiplicator when using a spear or sword.

Sethor wrote:I guess if Mythic boosted hunters melee abilities they simply placed them on a higher dmg-multiplicator when using a spear or sword.

Yes. According to the staff the damage multiplier for Hunter melee on Uthgard is 1.9

For Rangers and Scouts it is 1.8

So a 5.5% difference in base damage.

I have a suspicion that Hunters are not receiving the Two-Handed bonus to damage, which would be about a 30% damage bonus with 39+15 Spear spec. I will test this (with logs) after I respec to Sword.

but think about stats! Sword is Str and Spear Str+Dex/2

LG Jack

For all who needs some calculation how wrong the Spear dmg is and i think that need to be fixed.

I will also posts it in bug reports but first all interested people can take a look and maybe you find faults in the calculation or some other classes can add their weapon style dmg.

http://www.siekholz.com/wp-content/uploads/DPS_Calc.rar

The real problem is mos and no buffbots.

On live a hunter spec spear kills easily every stealther.

Another problem is mos 5, u spend 34 points for mos 5, it means no ip, no purge, anything good to fight until 6l.

The real overpowered class are rangers, they have buffs, high dps with bow/dual spec, mos 5, ip, rr5 ability that stun and a side stun style designed only for bm...What else?

Hunter is a good class, but if u take ra to play in grp to unstealth people at gate, u suck without grp, simply .

In peace.

Holavez

Cyan wrote:Hunter is a good class, but if u take ra to play in grp to unstealth people at gate, u suck without grp, simply .
Holavez

And what ras are for play solo? PD5, IP3, purge 2 or 3 and mos 4 or 5 if you use bow?

vangonaj wrote:

Cyan wrote:Hunter is a good class, but if u take ra to play in grp to unstealth people at gate, u suck without grp, simply .
Holavez

And what ras are for play solo? PD5, IP3, purge 2 or 3 and mos 4 or 5 if you use bow?

Dont really know why so many ppl insist on taking PD instead of toughness.

With toughness you get almost the HP your PD would absorb in one run + hp works also against magical attacks and poisons + your IP will heal more with the hps from toughness.

Seyha wrote:I have a suspicion that Hunters are not receiving the Two-Handed bonus to damage, which would be about a 30% damage bonus with 39+15 Spear spec. I will test this (with logs) after I respec to Sword.

Did you test this already?

with my hunter i have killed in melee a lot of inf and ns with rank higher then mine...

and if i start with bow i have 300 400 500 demage of bonus

Rector wrote:

Seyha wrote:I have a suspicion that Hunters are not receiving the Two-Handed bonus to damage, which would be about a 30% damage bonus with 39+15 Spear spec. I will test this (with logs) after I respec to Sword.

Did you test this already?

Seyha is gone . Guess he wont answer anymore questions here. Was to ****** about ..um... hunterstuff, u know?!

Hope he will be back someday. Seyha was a fine player and a nice humane as well.

have you ever looked at the grothrates uthgard use?

they must be wrong, because i dont find any sources in the internet with the grothrates uthgard uses, but all sources uses the same other grothrates

it brings a plus on dmg about 6%-10% per style

Almidar i use engage + woundering thrust and they have demage 0.59 + 0.8 it's wrong ?

Rector wrote:

Seyha wrote:I have a suspicion that Hunters are not receiving the Two-Handed bonus to damage, which would be about a 30% damage bonus with 39+15 Spear spec. I will test this (with logs) after I respec to Sword.

Did you test this already?

I did, and I was wrong. I think I was desperate to find something to give the Hunter a boost in melee.

You can be successful as a Hunter. You need to use tactics and you need to be patient and you need to have luck on your side. You can beat assassins easily if you have camo on. Crit shot them out of stealth, aoe snare, crit shot them again. I win almost every fight with an assassin that I initiate, and half the one's I don't so long as I have purge and AOE Snare ready. The Hunter is an assassin killing machine. If you're patient.

I think I can average 100k RPs a week. That's not bad.

At RR8 I'll be able to solo RR6 Rangers.

you have to have a little RR to play a hunter well against assasins, purge and IP (if purge is down) is usually a must.

as for hitting hard, I have played every assasin in all 3 realms at least to rr5, and I have know some hunters that hit very hard.

one thing I know for a fact, is most hunter do not use their pets effectively, which is one of their strongest aspects. little things, like moving slowly backwards in melee to put the pet on the attacks back so they cant evade etc.

spec is very important too, a lot of hunter spec way to high in stealth, the best hunter I ever faced had stealth in the 20s if i remember, he was like RR8ish so that helped, but to be honest you ARE going to be found by assasins, so use enough stealth so you are not visable to non-stealth classes and call it a day. more important especially on this server to have the buffs, a high pet, and a good amount in spear...my 2 cents..

hunters should NOT be treated as BOW class, you will never hit as hard as a scout or most rangers depending on spec, focus on the other things they have, pet is your best friend, interrupts, decent dmg, keeping people from stealthing etc. spear has the ability to hit much harder then other stealthers, u just need a little RR and the right spec for it to be viable

duo if you dont have the RR, hunters just take a little more time to blossom then the other classes

ntc wrote:you have to have a little RR to play a hunter well against assasins, purge and IP (if purge is down) is usually a must.

as for hitting hard, I have played every assasin in all 3 realms at least to rr5, and I have know some hunters that hit very hard.

one thing I know for a fact, is most hunter do not use their pets effectively, which is one of their strongest aspects. little things, like moving slowly backwards in melee to put the pet on the attacks back so they cant evade etc.

spec is very important too, a lot of hunter spec way to high in stealth, the best hunter I ever faced had stealth in the 20s if i remember, he was like RR8ish so that helped, but to be honest you ARE going to be found by assasins, so use enough stealth so you are not visable to non-stealth classes and call it a day. more important especially on this server to have the buffs, a high pet, and a good amount in spear...my 2 cents..

Thank you for the advice but you are comparing the Live Hunter to the Uthgard Hunter. There is no comparison. The pet here does no significant damage. Maybe 50-60 hp worth in an entire fight. Hunters appear to hit hard in melee, but this is only because they're using a slow 2hander. Actual melee DPS for a Hunter is poor even with full spear spec.

A Hunter can be successful but only with a very limited style of play.