Putting restrictions such as the mentioned is not worth it. It is neither nice for a lot of player, nor a bearable workload for the admins. And it still is doubtful if there would be any positive gain at all.

Players in DAOC fight for RPs and not really for the Realm. Restricting access to other realms won't make them identifying themselves with their realm.
It's just a big hysteria about such a little effect.

I dont think that the problem wont simply be resolved with a restriction based on ips as it was already mentioned in the thread that there are relatively easy ways to just get a new ip. Heck for dial up users (yes they still exist) all you have to do is disconnect, reconnect and essentially you are a "new player". Etc etc. That is where the idea of the background application came in and is also used as a means to access uthgard legitimately.

We really need a timer, as soon as possible, x-realmers make hib relic impossible to take. 12 hours timer at least.

<Thraxi`schwank> hm lord of the rings has done that quite good
<Thraxi`schwank> you got timer of 1 hour
<Thraxi`schwank> just for entering rvr area though
<Thraxi`schwank> you can do normal pvm as you like
<Thraxi`schwank> you just have to disable the ports to df, battlegrounds and to nf
<Thraxi`schwank> shouldn't be that hard
<[EdN]Runis> yea sounds really good
<[EdN]Runis> but 1 hour is not enough
<[EdN]Runis> a relic raid lasts longer

good ideea?

yeah if that is possible to do, would be a really nice solution

wouldnt that prevent exping on bgs, df, agra then. For example u exp lowbie char in bg and u get call to rvr on other realm but cant since u exped on rvr zone in other realm.

elTakapiru wrote:wouldnt that prevent exping on bgs, df, agra then. For example u exp lowbie char in bg and u get call to rvr on other realm but cant since u exped on rvr zone in other realm.

That's the point. Stay in your own primary realm if you dont want that kind of situation to happen.

I'm All-In for anti x-realm protection. Remember, shared accounts are impossible or problematic this way.

I can't support the argument that you XP in realm A and get called to RvR in realm B or even worse you do RvR in realm A and change to RvR in realm B. This is something I clearly don't want to see. You should stay in your primary realm all the time.

Blue wrote:I'm All-In for anti x-realm protection. Remember, shared accounts are impossible or problematic this way.

I can't support the argument that you XP in realm A and get called to RvR in realm B or even worse you do RvR in realm A and change to RvR in realm B. This is something I clearly don't want to see. You should stay in your primary realm all the time.

Blue i think thats why we need some sort of application that everyone needs to have running in the background of their pc in order for them to login and/or stay logged into uthgard. I layed out some ideas on what features this would need ( i believe) in order to be successful. Right now people are routinely doing exactly what you have described as you not wanting to see here. I even saw an entire guild logging into one realm and then playing in the next realm during the same day!

Zippity wrote:Blue i think thats why we need some sort of application

I don't need another spyware.
Rather think about IP/account protection. To counter IP switching, find a way to group several accounts of the same player together.

H-Man wrote:

Zippity wrote:Blue i think thats why we need some sort of application

I don't need another spyware.
Rather think about IP/account protection. To counter IP switching, find a way to group several accounts of the same player together.

Short of "spy ware" i cant imagine any other way of doing this because you cant know if someone who is logging into the account has switched ips or not. For example if i am playing on my hib account, switch my ip then log into my alb account, there is no way to know if i'm really the same person that just left the hiba ccount or if im a "friend" using the account. If i switch ips every time i log in/out to another realm then there is no way i'd ever be caught as there would be no basis for thinking that I am the same person if im using different ips where ever i log in/out from.

H-Man wrote:

Zippity wrote:Blue i think thats why we need some sort of application

I don't need another spyware.
Rather think about IP/account protection. To counter IP switching, find a way to group several accounts of the same player together.

Please no, it's already a pain to play with an apple and crossover :p

Runis wrote:We really need a timer, as soon as possible, x-realmers make hib relic impossible to take. 12 hours timer at least.

yes, what an outrage that Mid doesn't possess all of the relics

Zippity wrote:Short of "spy ware" i cant imagine any other way of doing this because you cant know if someone who is logging into the account has switched ips or not. For example if i am playing on my hib account, switch my ip then log into my alb account, there is no way to know if i'm really the same person that just left the hiba ccount or if im a "friend" using the account. If i switch ips every time i log in/out to another realm then there is no way i'd ever be caught as there would be no basis for thinking that I am the same person if im using different ips where ever i log in/out from.

cost/benefit analysis

I believe it would be possible to link/group the vast majority of accounts on uthgard to the players. I don't think too many players have cared about always changing the ip when logging another account in the past and won't care in the future.

I'd hate having to install another program just to play on uthgard and I think that would severely limit the attractiveness of the server for new players.

I'd suggest to try out an IP based system that won't allow your IP to play in another realm for one hour. Then maybe refine/enhance that system with account grouping as described above. If that fails, we can still think about another spyware.

I think most people who have played 3D-shooters in leagues are already used to secondary anti-cheat-tools like XAC, aequitas and the like. But casual players on a free server?

nice screenshots btw: http://www.xraygaming.com/index.php?pageid=gallery

Despite the fact that I want to play in Albion some day too, Im all positive about restricting access for x-realmers.
Of course you cant get all x-realmers with their IPs, but i think you can get most of them. So restrict access for a given period of time sounds good to me.

I hate it, that when i think about Glacier Giant- or Megalodonraid and doing a /broad for it, some ppl think "Hey, that could be fun. I call all my Hib/Alb friends(for im a mostly Hib/Alb-Player) and tear them Mids apart while their doing the giant/shark, and then we give the mob the final shot and collect the loot".

So far for my concerns about x-realming. Thx.

i am just curious here
last mondy at the dragon raid some ppl proposed to go to agra to take the relic after raid, we had abouth 70 pll at the raid

just curious how many of those logged to another realm after raid to prevent or get profit from knowing a lot of albs where planning to go agra, also knowing half of them where not lvl 50 and had low rr...

should be fun for dev's to look at those logs
and yes, only good method would be to link accounts to a certain player, even with a prog in the background, it's easy for ppl to just play each others chars, so avoiding the restriction