Yeah, I get the feeling this isn't RvR anymore, more like PvP because people just log whatever they want to kill whatever they want.

What happened to the 'defend your realm against the barbaric forces of midgard, the loathsome hibernians or the self-rightious crusaders of Albion ?'
There's no realm spirit anymore, it's too mixed up.


Also, look at the herald, just look at it, and tell me howmuch red you see between the blur of blue and green.

And as Monty said, crossrealming won't solve it, it's just gonna make it worse.

I really appriciate Zippity's post with all those nice ideas how to motivate people.

I solo alot recently. For what i can tell is, if i solo and meet "just" the fg - i usually log. Having 1000% Rp bonus wouldnt change that, since i cant kill a single person. On the other hand if a fg runs around and just meets soloer, they usually continue like this or logout. Seldom it happens that people split the group in an amount, that those soloer actually do have a chance. One can call it "missing respect" or "rp-hunger" or "RvR", all are terms with the same effect = log out (atleast for me). People might wonder why doesnt he get some people to make a group, but on the other hand why was he solo in the first place, maybe because there is nobody else? The old question about the egg and the chicken rerolled ...

Its infact community problem, and there are some things people have to get over:

- to many people have problem with others and dont like to group them

- lack of patience with newbies. So they usually dont even get invited/embedded into Level50 RvR unless its a friend.

- not enough twinkability - meaning having the right char for every situation. Alot "progamers" have big pool of toons making groupbuilding much easier.

- running around with always the same guys.

- missing courage to go out and fight NOT knowing if u can win or not.
To many people dont even try Agramon unless they exactly know
a) their perfect friends/groups/guildies are coming
b) they exactly know what inc is outside
c) they will just win without a decent fight, even people claiming to want fair fights - why would they else go out only in perfect groups in first place?

- fear to feed the enemy realms, since there is no RR cap in agramon

- missing respect to enemy realms^^. Sounds strange but without enemys you cant have fun either. This closely related with x-realm and adding. Try to understand your enemy. Why might he be running in small groups at this time of day? Will he be login out if i get 6 more people ? ...

An (recent) example:
I solo around with thane having 1v1 vs some albs. Suddenly a fullgroup albs appear (Castergroup) ganking me while i have my precious 1v1. Well i said maybe an accident and they will spare me next time for their dear albion solo realmmate to have some fun. However i remeet that fullgroup and they again gank me. Frustration. I tried to build a group to fight against these albs - without success. Frustration. Luckily for me, there is already a group mids around. And i decide to log my runemaster aid those mids to kill that fg. Albs of course die = end of fun for the next few minutes/hours. A chain of events starting with the words "disrespect to realm mates and enemys" , "RP Hunger" or simply "RvR".

I hope they have learned their lesson xD

However having more people in agramon, i would have been able to build another group. And things could be gone fine, except for that poor solo albion player. Who shall he fight now? No soloing enemies anymore? Shall he add? Vicious circle isnt it^^?

As one can see its a very complicated situation, the best solution is to respect players just like in real-life. Dont treat other people in way, you dont want to be treated yourself! Even if this game is about war, its game and games are made to have fun not war



There is something very different from Battlegrounds:

In Battlegrounds there are NO "organized TS programmer groups" around.
I can imagine that even in braemar the so called "fun" would come to an immediate halt^^ once such a group appears. Random people dont like fighting against really organized groups. Bringing most of the problems related with agramon RvR.

Greetz
Nes

ps. somebody should listen to Zippity! Thanks for all the nice posts.

pss. there still bugs to be fixed some effecting realm-balance: theurgs combat flag, moc+spread , stacking haste, SI classes/abilities in general xD ... ... ...

psss. not even talking about the other bugs like , Dec.Trap, criting styleprocs, where are my missing shorts =(??

pantal00n wrote:Well, when I build a group, I think twice before I invite that Skald, which I know adds anyway. Even if I know he plays well and is nice to have in group. The more you add, the less you will be invited by people who like fair fights, just face it.

1.) You have skilled players who join fights outside of your group (tardish = add, for future reference)

2.) You refuse to invite them into your group which would completely disable them from "adding".

3.) Doing so you force them to add more.

4.) You dislike/shun them for that, which is your fault anyway.

5.) You claim yourself to be a fan of fair play.



Could you be any dumber ?

To the subtopic that Albion doesnt participate much in Agramon-RvR:

monty wrote:well, it's a problem of albion beeing the most difficult realm to build good rvr grps, most chars have ability's, but you need a lot of chars to get a good setup, albion is just a tad different from, let's say midgard.. what mids can do with 5 chars can olny be dome in albion by a fg..

This is correct. But then, you simply must take more people with you. There is no rule that tells you only to run in a group of 8.

Maybe take a speederclass as 9th man or stay near some stealthers around agra ck.
When you manage to kill the enemy group and they tell you instantly on irc, that you should stop outnumbering them cause it's "unfair" - tell them: this is war!

It's only getting annoying for one party, if the other one is greatly more powerful and they dont have the possibility to do a single kill.

if they would take more than 8 they will get lesser rp`s if they win a fight and people will faster log out if they face more then they are

malle wrote:if they would take more than 8 they will get lesser rp`s if they win a fight...

nah that doesnt matter much. the main motivating thing is the fun of having a fight that takes longer than 30 seconds. having a long fight with at least 2-3 kills is more important for having fun in RvR than winning the fight or getting maximum rps per hour.

malle wrote:...and people will faster log out if they face more then they are

thats the fact that sucks most on Uthgard.

Rector wrote:

malle wrote:if they would take more than 8 they will get lesser rp`s if they win a fight...

nah that doesnt matter much. the main motivating thing is the fun of having a fight that takes longer than 30 seconds. having a long fight with at least 2-3 kills is more important for having fun in RvR than winning the fight or getting maximum rps per hour.

malle wrote:...and people will faster log out if they face more then they are

thats the fact that sucks most on Uthgard.

rp factor doesnt matter... but if u need to bring up more ppl u will never rebalance the"rp problem" .. for me its no problem cause most of the rr10 or sth like that suck anyway

monty wrote:ok, it is far more fun and a lot faster to lvl in bg.. but what abouth equipment?

who has the money to buy an armor that's good enough not to be laughed away in agra?

you can get epic, but it's only nice to look at.. it's worthless in rvr..

what about implimenting the newer epic armor? the old epics we have is a but poopy. or do the new epics have like stat cap increases on them that arent implimented? bah i dunno what im talking about really, my live experience = free trial lol. i had only just heard a rumor that the new epics (catacombs i think) were far better, almost equal to a 99% SC job.

You know, 12 versus 8 can also be fair...
It's not always about numbers, it's more about some factor of skill and amount of people and realm rank, equipment and such.

The newer epic was implented after 1.80. And if they would implement over cap boni the whole templating scene would be a mess; everyone would want to over cap the most important things by using epic parts and such.

@flamming: it's not cause somebody doesn't have the same opinion than you that he is dumb...

i would even say that he has more chance to be intelligent

Well for me it's pretty much like this:

Esme wrote:its always the same. Someone finaly reaches lvl 50 , goes agra a few times until he decides to make a new twink for braemar cause its more fun there.

Why? ...

with the exception, that I didn't even reach lvl 50 yet. I'm just lvl 43 and while I think Braemar was fun, Wilton and Thidranki are okay even though there's just too few people most of the time. I already really hate Agramon... been there only once so far and only got into two fights, but during the first fight already got flamed for adding even though it was actually the other group adding imho (which isn't a problem for me anyway, since this is RvR and not XvsX)

Conclusion: Since I constantly read "adding flames" in /broad while exping anyway, I don't see any reason to level up to 50, because I don't want to deal with this mess on a regular basis... I'll just create a new character and go to braemar until I reach the RP cap, because there people seem to play for fun, not for RPs.
It's just a shame you can't really stay in braemar for a long time, but it's okay, I understand the intentions of the RP cap and I know GMs want more people to RvR in Agramon, but for me right now Agramon just doesn't cut it... I want to be able to enjoy RvR without being verbally attacked by my realmmates for stupid stuff like this.

I'll just leave Agramon to the so called "pros" who want to XvsX all day. I just wish they were ****** at each other via /send instead of abusing /broad, so other guys who don't care about it don't have to read their stupid flames all day...

if someone ask me polite to stop adding i will do..

if someone start to ****** around or even insult me i go on adding even more..

maybe more should act like that so the dickheads get annoyed and leave..

@Flamingfury

Considering your history here in the forum you are on thin ice - and i can tell you, the ice is almost broken.

So, the last warning: Behave or bear the consequences. I am so done with warning you...

@camulos, i bet you made his day...

some love to live dangerous... and for a short while

I'm shaking in my knockers.