Thats the real cancer in DAoC on Uthgard 2017 ....this arrogant, ignorant.. spiked with the *I`m so l33t* attitude.

Some Pro is going to explain the world. Wondering if he use the same attitude in RL.

Stoertebeker wrote:Thats the real cancer in DAoC on Uthgard 2017 ....this arrogant, ignorant.. spiked with the *I`m so l33t* attitude.

Some Pro is going to explain the world. Wondering if he use the same attitude in RL.

<shrug> he is frustrated, just comes of a bit clumsy and arrogant. Could be part of the frustration, cultural differences etc...

He's not directly rude, or makes personal attacks, so is fine (although a bit weird) by me.

And he made it clear, which I first misunderstood, that he finds zergs fine, he just wished they would fight and not run/change realm the second they had to fight actual players.
And I understand that frustration, really do. Just can't imagine how it can be changed to the better.

Whos changing realms? Thats against server rules. People get banned for that. Not saying it doesnt happen, but to think a whole zerg of players is switching realms to retake empty keeps is absurd.

Zergs are leader drivin. Just like 8 mans. People will sit and craft or xp a twink or whatever till their group leader or, in the case of zergs, the bg leader gets on. This the zergs tend to live and die by a few peoples schedules. In alb thats Romu, Splitquick and Poler. If they dont choose to start a bg, there probably isnt a bg. Ive seen hours go by with the only bg to have 3 players in it. The moment a regular leader joins and gets made leader, the bg has 50+ in it. So of course when that one player logs, so does much of the bg.

Also, the bgs get lots of fights. They arnt avoiding each other, atleast not that i can tell. They may jave differemt priorities. Or a realm is missing their key leaders.



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Ownnyn wrote:Whos changing realms? Thats against server rules. People get banned for that. Not saying it doesnt happen, but to think a whole zerg of players is switching realms to retake empty keeps is absurd.

The BG moved from raiding alb, to raid hib, is what he means. He is not implying x-realming.

This is why i say for casuals, the key is good leadership. And not just one bloke forced to lead the rest. But a series of leaders that can organize and run players at all active times

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Ownnyn wrote:Whos changing realms? Thats against server rules. People get banned for that. Not saying it doesnt happen, but to think a whole zerg of players is switching realms to retake empty keeps is absurd.

The BG moved from raiding alb, to raid hib, is what he means. He is not implying x-realming.

If so then my mistake. But if the realm didnt come out to defend after 7 keeps, why would the bg continue to stay with nothing to do? Casuals, by their very nature, are limited on time. If they spent 2 hours taking 7 empty keeps....their play time is probably up. Or if not, they probably arnt going to wait till eu primetime in an empty keep for players to retake.

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Ownnyn wrote:If so then my mistake. But if the realm didnt come out to defend after 7 keeps, why would the bg continue to stay with nothing to do? Casuals, by their very nature, are limited on time. If they spent 2 hours taking 7 empty keeps....their play time is probably up. Or if not, they probably arnt going to wait till eu primetime in an empty keep for players to retake.

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It seems to me, what is the subject... is that example:
Mid zerg raids albion
Albion mounts defence and wipes mids
Mids now go HIb, instead of returning to albion to either defend keeps that has been taken or try to fight the alb zerg.

And without knowing the minds of the people who run the zerg, it does seem to me some BG leaders deliberately avoids actual RvR fights, and only wants to PvE keeps.

I have no problem with you guys zerging it up just leave emain alone so we can enjoy our "8v8 arena".

If you enjoy taking keeps power to you but if you keep taking relics (talking to you albs) you shouldn't be surprised when the enemies are less motivated to come defend. On the other hand for a mid 8v8 player its nice seeing all the alb/hib groups come out when they have relics. More fights for us and no obligation to defend our relics against yet another raid?

Not a bad status quo.

shatton1987 wrote:Liah gets it.

@wonshot regarding 8man; if you know, you know. Yes this game has always boasted a fantastic RvR experience, but let’s be fair, there is ZERO skill in zerging. This is why 8man players are (in general) reluctant to zerg. The enjoyable part is actually being able to out-skill other like minded players. Timers and relics of course play a role but that’s just an accepted point.
Albs have owned many relics for a long time now, and fiercely defend them, but why? So u can hit a door 20% harder?

No matter what Romu says about the technicalities of keep warfare, it’s dull. And requires no skill. Although my admiration of how patient he must be dealing with so many people on a regular basis. How much variation do you guys have on a keep fight though nreally?

8man fights are very rarely the same, can last 15 seconds or 10 minutes.eg; My group fought Ellefrieds group at mmg and the fight ended near silo at amg. I should note that we lost, but it was a great fight. We were able to analyze what we should have done better at certain moments of the fight, and I look forward to fighting them again.
Zerg fight strategy? Bring more people.

I suppose I hope people get as excited about running up Beno ramp

(I underlined some of the things you said, and no matter if a person support either 8man or zerging those arguments could be used from both sides)
I guess 8mans find it funny not able to run out because they lack a healer? or find it fun to roam around for 1hour not getting into an 8v8 fight. Handpicking borring scenarios are easy
This never really answered my big question though, why is the number factor more important than any other imballanced factors in these 8v8 fights? Any reason you can give to this, can be used as same answere to why zerging is "better" than 8v8ing. And that is not true, because none of the two playstyles are better than the other.
It just takes other skillsets to do one over the other.
Telling one guy in your 8man that his role is cc, rupt, backup assist debuff or whatever. Or in largerscale zergingscenario, telling group 5 that they are the left flank. or judging when to push into a well defended chokepoint. Two different scales and two different skillsets required, most of it comes down to leadership or commands and following them from both aspects.

Also calling 8v8 real pvp made me laught. Why cant guild vs guild be real pvp, no matter if you run out as 13 guildies one evening, 7 an other noon and have 4 guildies out in the morning. Showing what your GUILD can do and not your REALM nor GROUP. Why cant guildtag be the magical unchangable thing in these fights where massive display of skill is involved. Why cant the skill to recruit the right people be valued so you can run as a guild 13man and kill other guild forces of 25. Guild oriented pvp is sort of a middle ground between 8man and zerging but an approach that noone seemed to have taken on here. Instead of it HAS to be just a fullgroup and then the guildmate thanes, champions and scouts can go do their zerging or pug it up.
Why not display that a guild has the ability to either recruit the classes they need to run out maybe outnumbered but succesful, or find roles and setups where the more "unwanted" classes can fit in. I know this is a cultural thing and 8man is the easy way to go have your display of great skill, game mechanics after all support a group setting more than a setting where you have your fullgroup and a sidecare of 3 shildslammers and a speedbot to support your full group of main dps in your guildforce.

And something I HAVE to mention because its bread and butter to me. You know what counters numbers and zergs. Well used aoe.

Gamers come with different backgrounds, some have played competitve and pushed for leaderboards, some have played stratigy singleplayer games where they enjoy tactic and stratigy more than fair fights and even numbers. Its all good, the game caters for all

For the record, I totally understood what mids were complaining about when their german friends come out and aggro a beehive and then leave for the 8mans to get stung in zerg actions. This just seemd like a good debat where I was hoping to get taught something I didnt see myself. Because I still dont see why 8v8 is so danm appealing over other playstyles.

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Ownnyn wrote:If so then my mistake. But if the realm didnt come out to defend after 7 keeps, why would the bg continue to stay with nothing to do? Casuals, by their very nature, are limited on time. If they spent 2 hours taking 7 empty keeps....their play time is probably up. Or if not, they probably arnt going to wait till eu primetime in an empty keep for players to retake.

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It seems to me, what is the subject... is that example:
Mid zerg raids albion
Albion mounts defence and wipes mids
Mids now go HIb, instead of returning to albion to either defend keeps that has been taken or try to fight the alb zerg.

And without knowing the minds of the people who run the zerg, it does seem to me some BG leaders deliberately avoids actual RvR fights, and only wants to PvE keeps.

I guess experiences vary. In alb primarily na, i havent seen any bgs wipe and decide to go to another fz too take undefended keeps. I dont always hang with the bg either so i dont know.

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Ownnyn wrote:Whos changing realms? Thats against server rules. People get banned for that. Not saying it doesnt happen, but to think a whole zerg of players is switching realms to retake empty keeps is absurd.

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Stoertebeker wrote:Thats the real cancer in DAoC on Uthgard 2017 ....this arrogant, ignorant.. spiked with the *I`m so l33t* attitude.

Some Pro is going to explain the world. Wondering if he use the same attitude in RL.

<shrug> he is frustrated, just comes of a bit clumsy and arrogant. Could be part of the frustration, cultural differences etc...

He's not directly rude, or makes personal attacks, so is fine (although a bit weird) by me.

It`s not that i can`t understand him, but the attitude....

Running atm, and it isn not very entertaining....

Guess today showed how much more fun it can be to fight player than npc. We saw no chance for 8vs8 and joined the zerging here and there, and although no 8vs8 the whole day it was a fun evening. The last fight in emain was EPIC, with all 3 realms involved big time. That's what daoc is about... keep it up!
I am so sad I did not record it, although we lost in the end to albs it was pure fun. I can't count how often I heard "no mana" from our healers

Holsten lol? Saw no chance of 8v8? You came and zerged us with 2-3 fg when we ran 8. Hibs ran 8, other 2 alb grps ran 8. I think people just see what they want to see = )

I think that is the point, for us zerging is not fun, for us 8v8 is fun.

this thread makes me sad