although i cant remember that bleeding ment standing 30 seconds around in combat timer without beeing able to stealth

If I remember correctly you are not supposed to be able to crit shot a mezzed target because they are considered in combat. However, I am almost positive that I have crit shot many mezzed targets here unless crit shot was changed due to our patch level. I could not find anything on engage and crit shot, but a target moving backwards etc should be able to be crit shot, but on uthgard that said player can be taking hits and/or blocking them and still taking another crit shot. Should do a test with a backwards player sprinting as any thing above walking speed should not be able to be cs.

Theseus wrote:I do think this only worked if the caster wasnt engaged yet.
So if he was out of combat and was too slow to quickcast a dmgspell back to me.

If he could cast inbetween the 2 critshots it wouldnt work.

If he get the first arrow (with critshot) how can he be out of combat for the 2nd successive critshot arrow without wait 10 seconds?

Caemma wrote:

Theseus wrote:I do think this only worked if the caster wasnt engaged yet.
So if he was out of combat and was too slow to quickcast a dmgspell back to me.

If he could cast inbetween the 2 critshots it wouldnt work.

If he get the first arrow (with critshot) how can he be out of combat for the 2nd successive critshot arrow without wait 10 seconds?

Well i just uploaded an old vid of myself doing it to a rr8 healer

http://youtu.be/MNVaYZkK7SA

Check 13:51...

At 14.01 you can pauze to see i hit him with the 2nd shot for 635 dmg... that's 2 critshots

Theseus wrote:

Caemma wrote:

Theseus wrote:I do think this only worked if the caster wasnt engaged yet.
So if he was out of combat and was too slow to quickcast a dmgspell back to me.

If he could cast inbetween the 2 critshots it wouldnt work.

If he get the first arrow (with critshot) how can he be out of combat for the 2nd successive critshot arrow without wait 10 seconds?

Well i just uploaded an old vid of myself doing it to a rr8 healer

http://youtu.be/MNVaYZkK7SA

Check 13:51...

At 14.01 you can pauze to see i hit him with the 2nd shot for 635 dmg... that's 2 critshots

This video is private

soz.. fixed

Theseus wrote:

Caemma wrote:

Theseus wrote:I do think this only worked if the caster wasnt engaged yet.
So if he was out of combat and was too slow to quickcast a dmgspell back to me.

If he could cast inbetween the 2 critshots it wouldnt work.

If he get the first arrow (with critshot) how can he be out of combat for the 2nd successive critshot arrow without wait 10 seconds?

Well i just uploaded an old vid of myself doing it to a rr8 healer

http://youtu.be/MNVaYZkK7SA

Check 13:51...

At 14.01 you can pauze to see i hit him with the 2nd shot for 635 dmg... that's 2 critshots

How do you know it's a crit shot and not a (or 2) regulair shot? Also its post NF. When was this recorded?

Well... the load time of the shot for 1, and 635 without crit dmg on a regular shot? I don't think so...

It was recorded in january 2005

(so still old mechanics)

Theseus wrote:Well... the load time of the shot for 1, and 635 without crit dmg on a regular shot? I don't think so...

It was recorded in january 2005

(so still old mechanics)

You can clearly see the message; "You are ready to fire." for the first shot. Which made me wonder if you used a critshot at all. Somewhere there could be a message; "You can't get a critical shot, you switch to a regulair shot." but I'm not saying this is the case for the first shot. The 2nd shot clearly does less damage, even though still high. But this is normal as far as I can see, because you're shooting at a caster. 3 shotting a caster is normal, even 2 is possible. Also you are spamming the fire button (before the rapid fire?).

I'm not sure when the changes for the critshot (while beeing stealthed) was introduced. Someone mentioned this earlier in this thread.

I'm pretty sure that if it was possible to critshot as often as you'd like, the QQ would be enormous even back then. I still have my doubts if it was possible at all and I seem te remember shots beeing greyed out, or a message with; "you must wait xx second before you can take a critshot again."

Then again it's video's like these that provide a certain bit prove and are an enormous help, so I do appriciate it. Nor can I provide any proof for my previous statements. So if you think I'm wrong please say so.

Well you could always critshot in the old system (stealth or not)

You can also see it says 3 seconds (instead of 2) so it was a critshot attempt.

It was also not a caster

It's weird nobody has backed me up on this double critshot thing.
Not many ppl played ranger tho back in OF i guess

It wasn't as often as you liked, it was untill the target reacted afaik.
If he moved it would switch to regular shot.
If he went into combatmode (melee or casting) it would switch.

if the target just stands there, not trying to enter combat (like you can see in the vid) it did indeed work.

y, is the same i remember too from live, and Uthgard work the same.
maybe, as i said before, combat mode flag should be investigated more, because sometimes i've see my ranger hit with critical when i was not expecting.

What i remember of my old scout from live, crit shot can't be blocked but only if it pass, otherwise if it turn to standard shot cause target moves it should be a regular blockable arrow... Here you can just spam critshot and always hit, it has not much sense at all.

rippinpeace wrote:What i remember of my old scout from live, crit shot can't be blocked but only if it pass, otherwise if it turn to standard shot cause target moves it should be a regular blockable arrow... Here you can just spam critshot and always hit, it has not much sense at all.

false. critshot on uth can be blocked and even evaded (thyrin does it regularly against me) even when its a valid critshot (tank standing). spamming critshot and allways hit is simply false on uthgard, it might habe a higher chance of hitting but defently not everytime, standing or walking

Theseus wrote:

Caemma wrote:

Theseus wrote:I do think this only worked if the caster wasnt engaged yet.
So if he was out of combat and was too slow to quickcast a dmgspell back to me.

If he could cast inbetween the 2 critshots it wouldnt work.

If he get the first arrow (with critshot) how can he be out of combat for the 2nd successive critshot arrow without wait 10 seconds?

Well i just uploaded an old vid of myself doing it to a rr8 healer

http://youtu.be/MNVaYZkK7SA

Check 13:51...

At 14.01 you can pauze to see i hit him with the 2nd shot for 635 dmg... that's 2 critshots

Ok i checked your video, but something is still not clear.

- There is no message saying you are loading a critshot instead of normal shot (if message on uthgard are correct, you just used normal shot)

- Your bow load time is too fast for a critshot (unless you are using a 3/4 sec speed bow that it is unlikely) since on uthgard with almost the same quickness (5 points more than this video) critshot is 3.9s and normal shot is 3.2s (with a medium 5.0 bow speed) so it's more like a normal shot..

- @6xx damage, i can't see it even pausing every sec uhm... but anyway looking a this video a saw lot of low ranks and "noobs" doing crazy things.. i wouldnt be surprised if this healer rr4 was not templated ^^

Edit: ok i finally saw the hit damage pausing faster, i also noticed u do like 5 damage for the selfbuff.. why here is a lot more?

Edit2:

Magicco wrote:he makes only 5 xtra damage, because no ranger specced into pathfinding due to buffbots

Oh right.

he makes only 5 xtra damage, because no ranger specced into pathfinding due to buffbots

the first shot is 3s the 2nd one is not visible.