Lucifire wrote:"A player who plays an inf and a minstrel is talking about the "easy" life of rangers?!"

Inf dies in a few shots from a ranger. You know how it is, crit shot, shoot shoot, melee, melee, rr5 dead. Easiest thing in the world. Minstrel is considerably one of the most difficult classes to play. Ranger is about as easy as it gets, go ahead and deny it but my 3+ years experience on Uthgard says otherwise. I remember you telling me otherwise, how reavers are so easy... funny guy

Lol you make it sound like it's super easy to get off crit shot + multiple shots on assassins. This IS the case vs noob assassins that don't know what they're doing and not paying attention.

If you're paying attention you can usually get to us before the 2nd rapid fire shot goes off, so thats ~650 + 175, at least for me. That's not subtracting the 150 ablative or the 200ish from heal pot that many use.

Furthermore, learn how to run around. Take sleepwel for example... It's very frustrating trying to get a good crit shot on him, because his movement in stealth is VERY unpredictable (constantly pulling 180's or "Crazy Ivan's" as I like to call it, and never running in a straight line). Setting up crit shot takes predictability or a stationary target. Not to mention if you hit the 25% jackpot and unstealth, most good assassins will notice and rush you, uncover you and beat you down. This is all also assuming we have camo up so we can pull off the perfect crit shot.

FURTHERMORE, you are forgetting how easily you can do damage to us as well. Take a normal, lv 50 celt ranger fully SC'd. They have roughly 1250 hp. With the str/con debuff that puts us down to around 1000. With viper alone that leaves us with ~300 (450 with viper2...). The remaining 300? That's like 2 or 3 attack rounds for you. Don't act like we have an extremely unfair advantage.

What Werewoof said is exactly true. Please make a ranger Luci. PLEASE do, and I will laugh so hard when you get your rear end kicked in on a regular basis. Yah, if EVERYTHING (IP, Purge, Camo) is all up and you dont come unstealthed on pulling a crit shot AND the enemy stays in your stealth detection bubble, then you can do some dmg to an assassin. However, when our camo is down and/or IP/Purge then you should own us.

You want to know the biggest difference between assassins and rangers/hunters? Ranger/Hunters are great every 15 minutes, once their RA's are down they are VERY weak. Assassins most powerful RA is up 100% of the time. The only time Viper is "down" is if you are fighting another assasin and they use remedy.

You use the fact that if every ranger RA is up we can kill assassins, but how about how assassins handle pretty much all casters and even most light tanks? You open with perf, follow up stun, drop s/c, viper, disease, then IF they manage to make a comeback from all of that and put you in danger you vanish away, wait your 30 seconds, use first aid, come back and either back stab or re-perf and kill em. I've also seen you do the cheap kill method of popping a guy, disease, poison, snare and then you run away and restealth method. I've seen you do this on several occasions against well played tanks. So please dont give me your bs about how hard it is to play your assassin. I seen you do that cheap kill method on Smoover just a couple weeks ago.

Yes, minstril is tough to play, but its also one of the most powerful classes in the game if played well. That is a fact. Its not about difficulty, we are talking about how "op'd" a class is. Anyone who know's anything about this game know's a well played minstril has the least amount of bad matchups on this game if played well. I mean come on, 2 dd's, mez, stun, speed, SoS, IP, First Aid, and a pet. Not to mention they can stealth to help avoid visi's.

If one needs IP or RR5 vs an assasin it's more likely that the ranger made a mistake or had bad luck on his hits / evades.
At least I can kill every assasin on a 5min basis, most of the time I use purge only to purge viper3 after the assasin is dead.

Would you look at that. Yet another stealther crying thread!

Touche Zai Dont we always end u here?

I certainly dont recall to many toons you played that had a hard time dealing w/ my ranger. Most of those toons were also much lower RR, and almsot all of our fights or duels ended with me on the ground. I think I got your bone dance 1 time out of like 15 fights. Your champion demolished my ranger on multiple duels even though the champ was only 4L0 and my ranger was in the 8L's at the time.

Celteen wrote:If one needs IP or RR5 vs an assasin it's more likely that the ranger made a mistake or had bad luck on his hits / evades.
At least I can kill every assasin on a 5min basis, most of the time I use purge only to purge viper3 after the assasin is dead.

Againts new and mid range assasins I would agree, but against high RR well played assasins I doubt that is always the case. Back when Dexx, Dunna, Alanya, Thyrin, and the old gaurd of well played assasins played it wasnt ever quite so easy.

Thyrin is the only assasin not relying on his class skills but his brain, giving me hard times.
All those others were quite easy RP for a mos5 ranger. But on the other hand assasins can beat almost any other class easily while I focus more or less on assasins/scouts only. But with soooo many of them out there I will stick to it, it's fun and easy RP^^
Nowadays most assasins seem to try mos2 viper3, really good spec keep going ^^

Funny how all the rangers agree with each other

Funniest thing is to see threads getting derailed into pointless ranger QQ by viper specced ASSASSins for years now

I don't see where people think Rangers are OP, I'll never touch another realm other than Hib but if i had to choose an archer class to rape some face with i'd pick hunter, the well played ones out in emain have openned my eyes to their potential and how underestimated they are.

Snigel wrote:Funniest thing is to see threads getting derailed into pointless ranger QQ by viper specced ASSASSins for years now

Oh what do you know! Another ranger!

In reply to Razor, I don't think you hear as much QQ about hunter as you do ranger for a couple reasons. The main being that ranger does much better against assassin due to duel wield cutting evade rate in half, and 90% of the ranger QQ threads come from assassins. There is also the fact that there is less hunters played so less chance of 4-8 hunters camping AMG and killing everything that moves.

However, I will say that overall I think the hunter has equal or even better matchups if you are including all classes in the game than ranger does. As Celteen pointed out though, since there is tons of assassins around the ranger has probably more consistent success at AMG.

i gank greys, zerg in emain, give a sh!t about your opinion and my ranger dont even got ip!

if u are mad about getting zerged.. dont play daoc

-l- Edgtho -l- wrote:i gank greys, zerg in emain, give a sh!t about your opinion and my ranger dont even got ip!

if u are mad about getting zerged.. dont play daoc

Nice to see you

Celteen wrote:Thyrin is the only assasin not relying on his class skills but his brain, giving me hard times.
All those others were quite easy RP for a mos5 ranger. But on the other hand assasins can beat almost any other class easily while I focus more or less on assasins/scouts only. But with soooo many of them out there I will stick to it, it's fun and easy RP^^
Nowadays most assasins seem to try mos2 viper3, really good spec keep going ^^

Was Skarz an easy matchup back when he played ?