Should put a few things in perspective here:

Most of you complaining, do you realize all you are complaining about is population imbalance? That has always existed in DAOC. You cannot get rid of it.

If you are not a hib....and you complain of lack of hibs. Help fix the "problem" and play hib. The only people who deserve to complain about hib population are the people who tried to play hib outnumbered yesterday.

The main difference I saw from zerg action like last night and zerg action from live daoc is there are no "elite groups" helping.

I was part of the mid zerg (lawl 4 thane group) and most of what I did the whole time was pan around waiting for a pbae hib group to swoop in over a hill and get 100 deathspam on the clumped up zerg. Should have been very easy to do especially with people streaming location. Why didn't anyone do this?

Realm timer....meh. I can see some benefits of it, but not much. I think it would mostly serve to frustrate most players. If I was on hib yesterday and had no chance to get any RPs in zerg vs zerg fight, I would have gone and done pve or small man emain or something. I do not see "hibs logging on mid" as a problem. If mids are winning zerg vs alb anyway, albs will log/do pve/something else, anyway and they lose from there whether or not any hibs log on mid.

It does, however, discourage many people. I try to logon the realm to get the most action, and also "give" the most action. Also like to logon all realms and check housing for items, etc. As a server that has, stable population, but can use more, things like realm timer would hurt that.

I think best idea so far is to give incentive for people to stay logged on underpopulated or losing realms, not force them to with realm timer.

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Blue wrote:Implementation would be not such a big issue but quite some efford and time needed. We could introduce master accounts where you assign your accounts to and are not allowed to have a second master account. This could be enforced with ban rules.

This discussion runs in senseless circles. The propability that such account management with xrealm timers will come sometime in future is high. Its a long time planned feature. You know the mills work slow on Uthgard but they work.

No further discussion required.

This stuff above is just a couple times in the past in which this has been brought up. I dont know how I feel about it now. On one hand I think it has its positives. On the other it certainly has negatives.

On the positive side, it would be much harder for people to switch when doing GM created Events like the Christmas events etc, player created events like this weekends zerg event, or even just a simple relic raid. This is nice and we all know of some people that will always switch to the winning side. I dont think its as bad as many make it out to be, but this does happen and doing this would indeed help mitigate that some.

On the negative side, it would be much harder to keep normal RvR zones fully active. As an example, lets say you run with 5-8 people all the time. You have group toons on all 3 realms. Now you log in on Albion and go out with your 8 man and you see 2 other fg's of Albs out and no other action. With the current system that group can be on a full 8 man on another realm in less then a minute and now you have potential for a fight. If you change it then that group is stuck on Albion and would have to wait X amount of time before being able to come out on a different realm to induce action.

For me personally, I was always in favor of these timers, but I'm not going to lie, I now would not favor them since I play 2 realms. I play my ranger/hunter like the above situation. I prefer my hunter if I can (he's lower RR and needs the RR's), but if there is nothing but Midgard stealthers at AMG then it would be best for everyone out there if I switched it up and brought the ranger out so we at least have some action. Then if more Hibs/Albs start coming out I can switch back. I'm fine either way, but if I remember correctly this was brought up, taken very seriously, but then I remember revisiting this with Blue in the forums at one point and it kind of got put on the backburner and was told that it might be to much of a pain to implement.

You shouldn't play 2 realms at once. Not intended. So don't expect it to be barrier free in future.

What do you mean play 2 realms at once? I never mentioned that above. I simply said that if I'm on one realm and that realm has many people RvR'ing (group or solo) then with the current settings people can switch quickly to try and induce some action. With timers you wont be able to do that. However, I also pointed out that this timer also has some good benefits as well. I will say this, on an average day/night on this server timers would hurt the server a little bit by killing some action. On a day in which there is some type of event with alot of people on then the benefits outweigh the negatives.

I have never and would never be logged in on 2 accounts, whether its same realm or different realm, at the same time.

RonELuvv wrote:What do you mean play 2 realms at once?

RonELuvv wrote:With the current system that group can be on a full 8 man on another realm in less then a minute

Maybe I was not clear. Playing in 2 realms meant to just switch over to another realm and play there. Then switch back and so on.

Its not intended that you suddenly switch to the enemies side. Especially not with all the hindsight you got in your realm.

RonELuvv wrote:With the current system that group can be on a full 8 man on another realm in less then a minute

so, if THIS is not xrealming in your opinion - how do you define it then ?

wla wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:With the current system that group can be on a full 8 man on another realm in less then a minute

so, if THIS is not xrealming in your opinion - how do you define it then ?

I don't think what RonELuvv is talking about is meant to do harm but just to create more action. If there are an overflow of 8 men in one realm and they switch to a realm where there is no one out it seems like it would be a good thing.

Xrealming to me would be someone who logs on to the other realm to get information to harm the other realm. There could be spies but I think its worried about too much. People don't want to announce a relic raid in broad or lfg because they are worried about spies, but then many in the realm who would like to help dont even know its going on. I have played on Uthgard and Live since the game came out and I cant remember anyone ever announcing in broad or lfg that an enemy realm is organizing a relic raid. The only way I have known that our relics are in trouble was when the system messages start saying that the relic keep is under attack.

Zyviel understands what I'm saying. Yes Blue, you are 100% right. This game was never designed for that, but that is what happens EVERY SINGLE NIGHT and what will continue to happen when you allow unfettered access to all 3 realms. All I'm doing is pointing out the good and the bad. If the server allow's for it then I dont see anything wrong with it. Can it be abused? Sure, and I think I pointed out where this can happen. It can also be used for good. Would you rather have 3 fg's of Albs roaming around with nothing in sight to kill, or have 2 fg's of Albs roaming and another fg that can log on Hib or Mid? Same with solo. Would you rather sit at AMG with 3-4 people all on Midgard and nothing around to kill, or have one or 2 of them switch it up to Hib/Alb and have some fights?

There is a difference between "xrealming" to sustain action and "xrealming" to gain an advantage. Logging on one realm then switching to announce a relic raid or even say a legion raid and then using that intel to stop them or whatever is way different then a person switching realms to create some action. Sorry, those are not the same things at all.

and here we go - the topic about changing the behaviour and mentality of people

the imbalance issue on live is held in check by realm timers. Here I'm not sure how the Devs would do that, perhaps based upon IP addresses. On live you had realm pride here, outside of the few Hibs that I know only play Hibs, everyone just hops on to another realm. I personally dont see the #'s imbalance changing here, because its not live..

I live I played all 3 realms but it was one realm per sever so on that server my 'realm pride was for realm X-' here I dont get the same feeling.

When Hibs had the relics you had hoppahs looking to trade plat from mid to hib, the past month you had hoppahs doing the same thing from Hib to alb.. its not going to change, I've acquiesced to the fact and just play enjoy my time.

wla wrote:and here we go - the topic about changing the behaviour and mentality of people

Who is talking about changing behaviour and mentality of people here? I am simply pointing out the pro's and con's of each way. They certainly both have merits and I'm fine either way. Like I said earlier, I believe on the average night on this server making a realm switching timer would have a minor impact on the amount of action. On the flip side, when doing any sort of event in which #'s really matter or intel is important it would benefit the server to have a realm switching timer.

I posted previous threads/topics in my original post that reflected these issues the last time this was brought up. In those posts you will see that I was very much in favor or putting in timers, but I can at least objectively say that it would have some negative impacts.

Blue wrote:You shouldn't play 2 realms at once. Not intended. So don't expect it to be barrier free in future.

That's all i needed to hear, I can leave this thread happy

Someone forgot to tell the mids that the zerg event is over... not just moved to jamtland

Ok so first of all i play on all 3 realms because I like to rvr and the impression that I'm getting here is the people complaining don't actually rvr especially US times in which inc is non-existant. So during ****** US times if I'm on a realm that has a group out running and has no inc I'm going to another realm to give them inc and another thing those crying about xrealming easily forget this isn't live circa 2001-2004 there isn't a big population. I will say this tho during events it does suck when people go to the winning realm and also people can use ts to xrealm. During the event we had 2 morons from Midgard jump in our public channel to listen to us and they accused us of xrealming but what they failed to realize is that two other morons from Midgard were streaming their positions. So that being said sure some people may and can abuse it but from what I've seen is not in the way people think the only time this xrealming is an annoyance is during events. And to the keep taskers complaining about it a little info for you when u attack a keep u set it on fire on the herald