Loranos wrote:Its stupid laggy tab+anytimer/ae cast, nothing more. Any monkey could "fight" this way.

I'm a monkey and I find this offensive.

Cruell wrote:Zergs are a sign of a healthy server and I am glad to finally see them on Uthgard on a regular basis.

great post guy ! Pvp is for the ppl doing it !

Tiberian1986 wrote:Nice 54 hib inc bolg and later relic raid. Same time 38 albs Its Waaar! ^^

54+38 > 3 8/8 elitits QQers...

Austerim wrote:He agrees with the zerging and thinks it's healthy. That's his opinion and it differs from mine. What now?

opinion are note equals sry, youre preference has a sens but it represent 20 % of ppl playing here, so stay easy !

We like different forms of pvp but we dont consider that youre retarded cause you dont like what we like ...

@ Cruel- At no point in my post did I say there was anything wrong with zerg'ing. I think zerg'ing is great, when other realms can also put together at least somewhat comparable #'s. When you have 3-4 fg's of Mids running around killing everything in sight during American Primetime and Albs and Hibs would be lucky to put together 1 fg then that is a HUGE problem. Please log in at about 8pm CST American time and try and form a 3-4 fg zerg on Alb or Hib. Tell me how that goes for you. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you play during Euro time Cruel and that is a whole different story. During American prime time there is no way in hell you will have 2 realms running a zerg, nevermind 3 realms. There isnt enough people for that at night.

To respond to your comment about the elite 8 man's, well I agree 110%. This is a huge problem, thats why if you look at any of my posts regarding things like this I always say that people want COMPETITIVE fights. I dont say fair, because fair is not just a matter of #'s. 8 vs 8 is not always fair. 1 vs 1 is also not always fair. On my ranger/hunter I have no problem fighting a fight 2 or even 3 vs 1 if they need that many to give me a tough fight. The same applies to group RvR. I know Requiem has said on numerous occasions that they have zero problem w/ a 8 man getting more so they can compete with them and MOST (not all) of the guilds you talk about would have no problem w/ people adding in some to make it "fair."

I want competitive fights, period. A group of 8 killing me while I'm solo isnt very competitive. It will also not get me to switch to a visi toon and form a group. Why? Because I believe this game is made to have all different types of RvR and I prefer solo RvR. The best nights I have had in RvR have always been when I could have sustained competitive fights. I would put a night with zero action as equal to a night where there is action but every time I try and fight I get 8 people adding in. Also Cruel, please show me a time in which I ever added in a fight? If I ever add in a fight it would only be on a particular player that added me or zerg'd me before. I prefer not to even do it then since I believe you lead by example.

To put it most simply, to all the fans of this free for all, kill everything, zerg it all regardless of #'s mindset, let me ask you how it feels when you try and go out solo and get killed by an 8 man? How does it feel when you run in a small man and get killed by 2fg's? Last night I seen a duo of Alb's that killed me as a solo. Then I seen a fg of Mids come by and kill them. Guess what? The duo didnt come back. Why is that? Would you come back in a 8 vs 2 fight? The funny thing is that duo had ZERO problem killing me in a 2 vs 1 fight. Do you see where I am heading with this logic? EVERYONE on this f'ing server only see's things from their own f'ing perspective and they NEVER try and look at it from the other side. This is not rocket science. If you give people a chance in a fight they will come back. If you dont they quit and you log out of boredom. END OF DEBATE!!!! As far as the whole blaming one realm... Midgard was the lowest population realm and was QQ'ing about everything the Hib's and Alb's are upset about now. Now the Mids do THE EXACT SAME THING THEY WERE QQ'ING ABOUT A YEAR AGO!!

Well, i´ve seen none of the 8vs8-Elitist-Albs who had any problem if one groupmember killed solo greys, or gave them xp-death. Even, they don´t have any problem with logging their mid/hib-toons and join any zerg.

Just when they´re logged in (currently on favourite alb), they are QQing.

Thats just the truth. Even Heartace (one of the hardest 8vs8 guys on alb i guess) was laughing when one of his groupmembers killed a solo grey. Well. 2 Sides of the Medal.

When exping in a RvR zone you're potentially going to get killed, even as a grey.

Austerim wrote:When exping in a RvR zone you're potentially going to get killed, even as a grey.

And logging off, and never come back to Uthgard. When running with a fg in RvR zone, you´re potentially going to get zerged.

Dingiva wrote:Well, i´ve seen none of the 8vs8-Elitist-Albs who had any problem if one groupmember killed solo greys, or gave them xp-death. Even, they don´t have any problem with logging their mid/hib-toons and join any zerg.

Just when they´re logged in (currently on favourite alb), they are QQing.

Thats just the truth. Even Heartace (one of the hardest 8vs8 guys on alb i guess) was laughing when one of his groupmembers killed a solo grey. Well. 2 Sides of the Medal.

Good that Heartace normaly play his toon atm...... so thanks

Dingiva wrote:

Austerim wrote:When exping in a RvR zone you're potentially going to get killed, even as a grey.

And logging off, and never come back to Uthgard. When running with a fg in RvR zone, you´re potentially going to get zerged.

If someone never come back online because he was grey killed in rvr zone, good, we dont need faggot here

RonELuvv wrote:@ Cruel- At no point in my post did I say there was anything wrong with zerg'ing. I think zerg'ing is great, when other realms can also put together at least somewhat comparable #'s. When you have 3-4 fg's of Mids running around killing everything in sight during American Primetime and Albs and Hibs would be lucky to put together 1 fg then that is a HUGE problem. Please log in at about 8pm CST American time and try and form a 3-4 fg zerg on Alb or Hib. Tell me how that goes for you. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you play during Euro time Cruel and that is a whole different story. During American prime time there is no way in hell you will have 2 realms running a zerg, nevermind 3 realms. There isnt enough people for that at night.

To respond to your comment about the elite 8 man's, well I agree 110%. This is a huge problem, thats why if you look at any of my posts regarding things like this I always say that people want COMPETITIVE fights. I dont say fair, because fair is not just a matter of #'s. 8 vs 8 is not always fair. 1 vs 1 is also not always fair. On my ranger/hunter I have no problem fighting a fight 2 or even 3 vs 1 if they need that many to give me a tough fight. The same applies to group RvR. I know Requiem has said on numerous occasions that they have zero problem w/ a 8 man getting more so they can compete with them and MOST (not all) of the guilds you talk about would have no problem w/ people adding in some to make it "fair."

I want competitive fights, period. A group of 8 killing me while I'm solo isnt very competitive. It will also not get me to switch to a visi toon and form a group. Why? Because I believe this game is made to have all different types of RvR and I prefer solo RvR. The best nights I have had in RvR have always been when I could have sustained competitive fights. I would put a night with zero action as equal to a night where there is action but every time I try and fight I get 8 people adding in. Also Cruel, please show me a time in which I ever added in a fight? If I ever add in a fight it would only be on a particular player that added me or zerg'd me before. I prefer not to even do it then since I believe you lead by example.

To put it most simply, to all the fans of this free for all, kill everything, zerg it all regardless of #'s mindset, let me ask you how it feels when you try and go out solo and get killed by an 8 man? How does it feel when you run in a small man and get killed by 2fg's? Last night I seen a duo of Alb's that killed me as a solo. Then I seen a fg of Mids come by and kill them. Guess what? The duo didnt come back. Why is that? Would you come back in a 8 vs 2 fight? The funny thing is that duo had ZERO problem killing me in a 2 vs 1 fight. Do you see where I am heading with this logic? EVERYONE on this f'ing server only see's things from their own f'ing perspective and they NEVER try and look at it from the other side. This is not rocket science. If you give people a chance in a fight they will come back. If you dont they quit and you log out of boredom. END OF DEBATE!!!! As far as the whole blaming one realm... Midgard was the lowest population realm and was QQ'ing about everything the Hib's and Alb's are upset about now. Now the Mids do THE EXACT SAME THING THEY WERE QQ'ING ABOUT A YEAR AGO!!

peace mate
I quoted your post to respond to the same things that you posted about not because I disagreed with you but because i agree with you in general. I was just adding my perspective to your opinion.

I also agree about the competitive fights and I dislike killing solos when in group with a few exceptions. Also you will seldom see our alliance zerg in emain, we dont go there because we dont really want to ruin others fun and if we do go there we ask our bg not to kill solos or chase 8man groups, we just go to what ever keep/relic keep is our target and have our fun.

but like you said the 8mans have no regrets killing any people from our zerg that fall behind even though its 8 v 1 or 8 v 2 . Their special rules only apply when it suits them and if you are part of their click and thats it.

people that complain about the zergs are either just mad that they died or they are so closed minded as to have no real idea what makes a good healthy server.

edit...
yes you are correct I do mostly play during Euro prime time even though I live in the USA. its just when most of my guild is online.

and i never ment to infer that you added fights, if i came across that way you have my sincere apology.

edit 2 ....
I also agree with you that its not good to create a zerg just to kill solos and small mans every night. While we do create a zerg every day now, its sole purpose is to fight the mid zerg and open DF and we are really having fun doing that. Like I said we try and keep it away from emain unless we are chasing the mid or hib zergs but we dont go there to chase down the 8mans or add them or to kill solos.

so my opinion on zergs comes from a different experiance than yours but I do understand yours and can agree with it.

Cruell wrote:but like you said the 8mans have no regrets killing any people from our zerg that fall behind even though its 8 v 1 or 8 v 2 . Their special rules only apply when it suits them and if you are part of their click and thats it.

Austerim wrote:When exping in a RvR zone you're potentially going to get killed, even as a grey.

I say it everytimes,when somebody QQ in public chat he was ganked as grey.

Cruell wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:I'm going to do what I hate to do and agree with Alanya. Zerg fights are great and the one above is ok since both realms were able to put together a decent zerg. What stinks about zerg or any style of fight is when you outnumber the other enemies so badly that they just log. This happens when an 8 man kills a solo and it happens when 3-6 fg's of people killing everything from solo's up to 8 man. Thats what I cant figure out. How some people think its ok to kill a solo w/ an 8 man, but get upset when a realm runs 3 fg's to kill the 8 man? They are both unfair and require ZERO skill on the part of the people w/ the higher #'s.

All fights on this server are fun when you have a competitive fight. Its fun for the winners and fun for the losers. Its about having sustained action. Its not about having 1 big fight then running around bored because of no enemies to kill.

a couple points from my perspective.


1.
I personally believe that the high RR 8mans have done more to hurt the RvR on this server and have caused more people to log then zergs ever have. High RR 8 mans that have been playing together for a long time have no regrets killing low realm rank pugs over and over and over until they log. They will camp them at the PK's and chase them across 3 zones even after they have already killed that group 4 times and know they are no challenge at all to fight. Solo players will get on here and post like they are such noble people and never add any fights and yet you will see them adding fights all the time.
In fact this whole "fair Fight" thing reeks of hypocrisy and all it is for, is to force people to play a certain way so a select few can farm every one else for RP's. Its ok if they farm a rr4 grp with RR 10-11 grp but if two rr4 grps zerg them and win its "unfair". How ever if the low RR grps lose then its ok because they are skill less zergers, as long as people are winning its ok but if they lose then its "unfair".

They are also very selective how they apply these rules, if you are part of their click then fine if you are not then they will work together against you without regard to their so called rules. They will screw over their own realm mates without regret and laugh because they think its funny.

I try to respect everyone's play-style since i have been on this server and yet I have experienced everything I posted above first hand, so you have to excuse me if I am a little bitter about it.

2.
Hightmute doesn't only come out and fight when they outnumber everyone else, more than once we albs have out numbered the mids and they have kept coming back to fight. Same with us albs usually we are out numbered but we dont log we keep going back every day all day long. Because its fun win or lose and sometimes we have some epic fights where we beat twice our numbers, these fights would never have happened if we gave up because we where out numbered.

Also because we never gave up our Albion numbers are starting to grow and the last few days for a while each day we have had the bigger zerg. This didn't stop the mids from coming out to fight, in fact we have had several epic keep fights the last few days that have been great fun whether we won or lost.

every one who plays on this sever should be delighted to see the zerg fights / keep fights growing like they are because the zergs are good for everyone on the server. They are the engine that drives all other RvR like the tractor that plows the field so you can grow crops. The zergs grow everything else, most of the people in the zergs will try other RvR once they get some realm ranks and experience, they will start to form pug 8mans and some will go out solo to try their luck and in the long run there will be more of each type of rvr for every one to enjoy.

If everyone realizes that zergs are like a hungry pack of wolf's then things will be better, you cant control them they will eat everything in the way they can while they move to their objective. They don't do it to ruin anybody else fun , it is just the nature of the beast. All you can do is avoid them or release and go back.

Zergs are a sign of a healthy server and I am glad to finally see them on Uthgard on a regular basis.

^

This.. its the straw the stirs the drink.. its called Realm vs Realm for a reason.. not 1vs1's or 8 vs 8.. I'm not an adder and will allow a 1v1 as I think its unfair but I personally wouldn't get upset at someone else doing so, its a realm game 'red is dead' and what have you. I Also agree its not fun to run down a solo on an 8 man if I'm in a group and a solo is alone I usually dont attack unless he/she goes after a healer in an attempt to 'take one with them'.

I understand both sides of the story and yes get frustrated when/if a 3-4 man attacks me solo but what can you do? /lfg for more to meet their numbers and go at it. I also agree that zerg keep fights are the most fun I've had, solo fights are fun as well but relic/keep take/defense is what the game is all about and are loads of fun

I think we should talk about fg mids camping horse route.... now thats crazy

ostebjarne wrote:I think we should talk about fg mids camping horse route.... now thats crazy

Mid motto is "Go big or go home!"

main problem in my view is that whole guilds swap realms in a few minutes as a complete group.

and they dont do it for a good game or to balance anything. they do it for their favor