HulkGris used no-brain answer!
It's not effective at all!

Duuuude, you just need to relax! The rule applies for reactions like yours.
You can tell them that you don't like the way they play, but you CAN'T tell them to stop their way or that their way is bulls*it or forbid them their playstyle!

This rule should increase peace and harmony, which you clearly lack of a lot!

Look at Grendles post. That's how you talk! Even if he is ****** cause he got added, he always searches a conversational way to solve his problem.

Just relax, if you wanna rage at everybody you don't like, go on instant 50s...

Blue wrote:We don't handle group chats. This was stated. In a group you as leader decide who plays with you and who shouldn't. Please see as reference which channels were mentioned for timed bans. Also the new rule doesn't affect PvE.

I do remember you saying that about group chat. I guess I didnt direct my question directly into more of PvE settings like I wanted too. Anyways thanks for being clear so there can be no misunderstanding.

Herm666 wrote:I know those "rules" just try to encourage casual players to join RvR. I don't have a big problem with this.

So as I read it is banable to break mezzed enemies repeatly with purpose because it doesn't help your own realm. It helps instead your enemy. This is a different thing because you mainly adress offensive communication which tries to prevent people from RvRing.

Blue wrote:[...]
Another point I make clear here is that intentionally breaking mezz repeatedly to support the enemy can be penalized with a timed ban too. The realm is there to work together against the enemy, not against own realm mates.

I want a clear message on the topic "pulling out of fights". Because it can be seen as "supporting fair-play" AND "supporting the enemy" since you often let your realmmates getting zerged.

ok to clear this one up we have screen shots of this happening, where 1 person was playing on another realm and got killed by a 8man grp and got mad so he then logged into that realm and attempted to follow them around and add on their fights by intentionally breaking their mezz's because he was mad and wanted them to lose. he sent tells explaining what he was doing and why.

so what I think Blue was trying to say is that while it is not against the rules to add on a fight it is against the rules to follow a grp around and add on them/ break their mezz's etc... for the sole purpose of trying to make them lose the fight. This falls under the xrealming rules and will be punished.

We have not discussed pulling off of fights yet so I cant give you a clear answer mate sorry. That just has not even been brought up.


Everyone............
Please understand that none of us are against the 8mans or soloer's or anyone. We are a community and we want everyone to be treated fairly.

For the most part these rules wont affect most people at all.
Just remember that if you dont want a group or person to add on your fights then the only thing that will prevent them from doing it now is respect for you. Nothing else. So if you ask them nicely and treat them with respect I think you will find that most of the community will be willing to work with you.

If you yell at them and call them names then its the ban bus for you.

also please realize that these are small bans just 4 hours, Blue could ban you for any length of time he chooses too.

so think about that for a minute.

The problem of our actual environmente is only partially caused by mannerless people.
Main problem is low population. When server had 1000 people logged, all these clashes among players were not an emergency.
There were enough space on the server for every style of play, because almost every place had some life in it (well, maybe not Snowdonia ). I went to amg the first time i made 50 at 3L2, stood one day, understood what was going on there, and never went back till 7L. Now i'm forced to go around there, because there is no other place where to meet enemies. I always played soloing and i know it's stupid to go around amg to look for fair fights, but where else could i go nowadays? Nowhere.
Now all playing styles must cohexist in emain. Not only normal groups, but also soloers, duos, smallmen, etc etc.
That brings a huge chaos and it's not only players' fault, if things are difficoult. Of course education is always the first requirement of every player!

The other big problem (at least in hibernia) is the ridiculous egoism of some of the long time players. Their fictional elitist club in perfect mafia style, will kill the server/realm. I suffer it but i'm lucky enough to be indipendent if i want, or most of the times. But lot of people cannot play at all, if those who knows almost everything don't take a bit care of them. Definetly not a favourable RVR behaviour

So, i agree that people must respect the others at first, and i'm happy (if i did not understood badly) that i can keep using my macro "please don't help me", but i suggest the staff, for improving the playing experience, to do specific things inside and outside the server, to raise the population.

Omg 5 pages already.. seems to read a philosophical discussion, everyone wants to be right in his own way

I think that these rules should be like, well "normal" for a war game.. if u dont want to get added fight away from adders or let them die alone :\

btw i think that point out that your attitude (like add fight for example) annoys others players that dont want get added it's not an offence it's just a notice (obviously in a polite way), and it could be read from other side like the "adder" want impose his play style as well to the others

"Common sense ftw"

The original announcement could use some clarification specifying that you're allowed to communicate these things respectfully and in moderation. It would clear up a lot.

Ok, I think it comes down to hostile behaviour against your own realm mates who try to participate in RvR.

Finalement wrote:HulkGris used no-brain answer!
It's not effective at all!

Duuuude, you just need to relax! The rule applies for reactions like yours.
You can tell them that you don't like the way they play, but you CAN'T tell them to stop their way or that their way is bulls*it or forbid them their playstyle!

This rule should increase peace and harmony, which you clearly lack of a lot!

Look at Grendles post. That's how you talk! Even if he is [I am a little bunny and like flowers] cause he got added, he always searches a conversational way to solve his problem.

Just relax, if you wanna rage at everybody you don't like, go on instant 50s...

lol
i'm relax man, don't worry for that.
Just be serious. Grendles can take time to write this on a forum, like all of us can do. But ingame, after a fight, i doubt that there will be more words than a simple "Don't add plz". Plz as an option according to what i can read on starter guild channel.
What i tried to point is that Blue want to bannish agressive behaviours against people playing in a classic RvR way, but totally forgets the "agressive" in all his answers and in examples. Thus it could let some player think that they can obtain the ban of a player who has asked them to not add their fight, with no agression, no insult, and in a polite way.

Anyway, I would continue to ask others not to do what I do not appreciate and/or what is not fair play to my point of view, and too bad if it earned me a ban
I will take liberty to expose my own opinion.

Wow. There is an ignore command for a reason. You guys focus on the most ridiculous sh*t. Why don't you focus on fixing the actual problems associated with gameplay that people have been complaining about for years. People dont leave or avoid this server because someone nags at them to stop adding.....that behavior happens in almost every pvp/rvr game.

Panchos wrote:Wow. There is an ignore command for a reason. You guys focus on the most ridiculous sh*t. Why don't you focus on fixing the actual problems associated with gameplay that people have been complaining about for years. People dont leave or avoid this server because someone nags at them to stop adding.....that behavior happens in almost every pvp/rvr game.

NOT GW2!!

I cannot believe you GMs even bother with this nonsense.

Panchos wrote:Wow. There is an ignore command for a reason. You guys focus on the most ridiculous sh*t. Why don't you focus on fixing the actual problems associated with gameplay that people have been complaining about for years. People dont leave or avoid this server because someone nags at them to stop adding.....that behavior happens in almost every pvp/rvr game.

Whats that stupid statement for? Staff fixes and works towards changes all the time. We didn't focus only on this. You make it sound as if we had to spent weeks to come to such conclusions. Its one of many topics we handle in the player council right now.

And no, the ignore command is not the same, as you can't know in advance who will try to demotivate you. But as it seems we have hit a wound point here.

Stop your flame attempts.

I am with the decision. Very good move at last.

This is not some Counter Strike game, some closed instanced environment that one builds perfectly with the number of players that one wants without having to worry with an entire comunity that have the audacity and stupid idea of also wanting to play the game. Imagine! they want to play the game too! what an absurd! what an outrage to us pros!

That first "M" in MMO stands for "massive", it is a Massive Multiplayer Online game. MASSIVE. That means much more thean a guy and seven others.

When I first joined Uthgard the server was much more social. "We are nine people and groups can only hold up to 8? no problem! we make a battlegroup, this way everybody is included and know what we are doing so our chances of succeeding in taking/defending are higher". Man... they would even take some level 30ish to help rupting casters sometimes. Much, MUCH better back then. Now the 8-man group with speed buff actually runs away from the extra guy for him not to leech their holy RPs (and if he gets the chance to join a fight they go and b i t c h at him for adding). Uthgard staff/GMs have a kind of nostalgia of what live was on its beginnings, well, I have a nostalgia of what Uthgard was in its beginnings.

Decision makers of Uthgard, I have this gut feeling that the sad truth is that your nostalgic and longing Old Frontiers is the one to blame for this worshiping of 8v8 which turns an MMO into a game of 16 players. The thing is that OF is goal-less, those keep models are incredibly uninteresting, even I, a siege-game fan, find little entertainment on them. When the area itself is so little attractive and lacks a COMMON GOAL for realm mates to attain together, then the plain farming of RPs inevitably substitute the actual objective of DAoC and the game ends up completely distorted Dark Age of Arpees. I bet my right ball that this is not what you had in mind.

In my eyes adding to RvR fights is same as this,but with realmpoints:

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§3.6 Killstealing
Killstealing between members of the same realm is not allowed. Killstealing is defined as the unwanted, repeated and deliberate killing of mobs that are in combat with another character.

§3.7 Experience leeching
Leeching of experience is not allowed. Experience leeching is defined as the unwanted, repeated attacking and damaging of monsters that are in combat with other players, in order to get experience from the kill. This can even include healing of players that are in combat with a monster. This rule only affects fights between players and mobs, not between players.

Thats why i dont agree with new rules,but i must respect them,if i want stay on Uthgard.

These rules address pve only. If its not clear enough then we make it clear.