did anyone realized that the char that killed your char, always must be bugged and overpowered?, stop forumwars, go kill some rangers/mincers/scouts/bugged ( ) savages/whatsoever



regards kraehe

Noir wrote: Good luck and all i can say to you : dont be fair with [ little bunny blabla ( shangri la ) ] . 3

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Ranger is NOT oped...Its the server setup that makes him way too strong in comparison to other stealthers.

Lets get it straight : Most Rangers long for : high MoS high PD purge Ip...sure ANY other Bow class is able to specc the same way..BUT...Dual wild + self dmg add + charged dmg add will pwn them both most of the time.

Now in comparison to assasins...you wont EVER pop a high MoS ranger before he crit shots u...even with camo down...there is NO way to get to him BEFORE he shots ya down to at least 60%. After you reach meele range you will see most of ur dmg SUCKED up by PD...while every good ranger will pwn you down with slash weapons ( speaking of SB cuz mid leather is friggn vulnerable ). Even IF u manage to stun him or get him down by dot with high viper skill ( which is IMPOSSIBLE to get on low rr cuz you NEED vanish + purge to even survive 5 min in stealth rvr but thats an other story ) Purge + IP will save him almost EVERY time.

So you will have to admit...rangers are not oped...they r just the single ONLY stealther working as intended on this server...with a weird mix of non-toa boni scs, lack of leg weapons, destroyed dmg tables, weaponskill not working AT ALL - which leads to WEIRD skillbuilds like hybrid slash/thrust specced bms/mercs ( ive got 0 points in weapon on my SB VERY low Weaponskill and STILL the dmg/evade rate is the same ) 2h dmg NOT working,hunter pet dmg NOt working, NO possibility for SBs to change dmg type ( like it WAS in 1.69 on live [ turning weapons to do crush dmg ] )....could go on for ages to list all the bugs etc...buts its only to grant a small overview of WHY Rangers are that strong....again....in comparison.

Just had to so much @OP !

Ever tried destealth to get way faster on that ranger trying to CS you down while he´s uncamoed?
And please stop blaming PD to be the IWIN tool on this server ...

Seriously, there´s viper3-120damage/tick-madness on that NON TOA BONUS server and assassins still crying for rangers?!?

Can´t wait to get that OFRAs, will make me blind within losing MoS but I´m so curious about assassins without viper3

Cjasca wrote:Lets get it straight : Most Rangers long for : high MoS high PD purge Ip...sure ANY other Bow class is able to specc the same way..BUT...Dual wild + self dmg add + charged dmg add will pwn them both most of the time.
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Even IF u manage to stun him or get him down by dot with high viper skill ( which is IMPOSSIBLE to get on low rr cuz you NEED vanish + purge to even survive 5 min in stealth rvr but thats an other story ) Purge + IP will save him almost EVERY time.

So what you basically compare is a rr10+ ranger with a rr4 SB

If I was higher rr to see how it worked with more ra power I would have tested *kiss


+@ Pil...HOW to run from something...you CANNOT see? I hope ur wish for old ras will come true...and U will see what I am talking about

Celteen wrote:

Cjasca wrote:Lets get it straight : Most Rangers long for : high MoS high PD purge Ip...sure ANY other Bow class is able to specc the same way..BUT...Dual wild + self dmg add + charged dmg add will pwn them both most of the time.
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Even IF u manage to stun him or get him down by dot with high viper skill ( which is IMPOSSIBLE to get on low rr cuz you NEED vanish + purge to even survive 5 min in stealth rvr but thats an other story ) Purge + IP will save him almost EVERY time.

So what you basically compare is a rr10+ ranger with a rr4 SB

He got some correct points there. While assassins are strong by creation (of course they get better with purge3 viper3 and mop), Rangers need the RAs more to be competitive against them. Defense without PD is crap. You need Purge, IP, some mop, mos4 (if you want to play hybrid spec) and pd4 (pd3 is ok too but crap compared to 4 or higher). The easiest way to play vs assassins is the sniper spec. You only need mos5, purge1 and lw1 = rr5 and you are able to gank them without the problems of the pure melee or hybrid spec.

Everyone who says that legendary weapons are missing doesnt have any clue of the balancing back in the day. When you think Reaver are strong now, have fun with reavers debuffing their levi proc. On the other hand assassins were very unbalanced. Viper3 and legendary weapons in a non toa setting are just op and pd is strong too, but you wont kill anyone with pd alone... (hint: if the enemy got better defense you can still lose!)

@Cjasca
You need at least mos4 (20 points!) to see them first without camou up. Ok there are maybe some blind stealthers too Of course most Rangers wait 10 minutes after every fight....

@Cjaska
U totally right, this is the point

@Ronian
Are u really sure a ranger pd4/5 is less op'ed than a reaver levi debuffed with legg weaps?

Ask ppl how fun is hit a ranger for gimp damage maybe with a 50 spec weapon . . .

U Are really a joke talking about balance while we playing with a spec that DON'T EXIST on live . . .

U like tour pd, rr5, mos spec?
Well, give others legg weaps, give others new stun styles (on side and off evade) etc.
LIVELIKE

U think leggs weaps Are unbalanced?
Well, drop mos, drop pd
LIVELIKE on old daoc days

But, pls, don't talk about balance with this mix we Are now playing . . .

About viper3 nothing to say, is just a bug, like ws, shield, 2handed dmg etc.

But this have nothing to spare with ra's and leggs weapons.

Anyway on my opinion Cjasca really centered the point.

Ps
Damn my engish already sux but write with iPad make this harder

realac0 wrote:Ask ppl how fun is hit a ranger for gimp damage maybe with a 50 spec weapon . . .

U Are really a joke talking about balance while we playing with a spec that DON'T EXIST on live . . .

as I already said:

Garad wrote:PD do not give that much advantage some people do belive here, because it is not added on top of the melee resis. PD4 gives about as much advantage as Though4.

The math is very simple. Someone, with 1600 HP (I already use HP for a buffed Shar Ranger, Luri got less) and 25% base damage reduction has virtually has 400 extra HP. PD gives additional 228 HP. Tough 4 gives even more (250 hp). The situation is even worse, if the Con-Debuff of Assassins reduced the HP of the ranger, e.g., to 1200 HP. Than PD4 only provide 171 additional HP.

The only problem is when IP and Tough and PD is combined at very high realm rank. This is was makes rangers very strong.

@Snigel
U should be warried about a fix on ws A LOT more than on a no viper3 assassin . . .

lol alot of complain about ranger pd (in the first hadn givng a melee char melee resit ra is stupid-ranger/scout/hunter) and in consept of givng pd it shoudl be friar not those ranger atacker classes) any way pd is not oop just you can negate it with mor crit chance onmelee atack with faster weapons(use a weapon faster tehn speed 3 with mopain 2-3) and pd bonus is negated.

and for a side info pd is mreo oop then toughness try not to compare tehm in comparison(as a friar i will gladly change it with toughness)(with pd on my friar i can stand agaisnt a fg zerker assist train mroe tehn 10 sec)
pd drops melee damge output so does crit max output which makes melee typee enemys dulled down but gives nothing for caster type enemys(toughness gives bonus for both) yet on utgard rvr it is based on melee damge which makes wonders
and an assin complaining about pd is stupid i am always and will be complaining about viper abusing (buged envenom damge initial poison aplly-switchin weapon policy on this server) and nothign doen so far for it(hope they will implemnet old ras in 2-3 months not 2 years)

I think, Only skill/stuff/experience/luck of player make the character you play OP !

Sure the fact that a character is considered over powered just means that the player against it doesn't know the best tactic to counter that OP character?

Its always the same arguments:

I cant hit X cos X evades too much
X uses too much poison
X has too long range on their spells
X Pet hits too hard
X Spell lasts too long

If you knew how to counter these items, there wouldn't be any shouts of Nerf and OP!

Its more likely that X is not OP but your play style is under powered.

I should know, i lose to just about everyone, and i dont scream that everyone that kills me is overpowered.

borog wrote:I cant hit X cos X evades too much

I know how to counter it, but WS is BUGGED, you know?