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pweet Lion Knight Posts: 4243 Joined: Dec 22, 2010 14:07	by pweet » Mar 22, 2011 10:50 Lasastard wrote:If you have trouble coming up with a decent temp, just tell us your class and spec and maybe we can figure something out that won't cost an arm and a leg. Maybe we could do a thread, with a competition of the cheapest competivite RvR template for each specific class. So there would be a moderated thread and new players could easily just take those templates and start rvr.

Sonnenschein Alerion Knight Posts: 1783 Joined: Aug 11, 2007 00:00	by Sonnenschein » Mar 22, 2011 10:54 Thalien wrote:Then people will stay forever in thid. Suicide ftw I remember the live days when we had to jump into death from time to time to get rid of xp so we could stay in bg Hmmmmmmmmmmm...that I forgot.... /selfslap ^^ Let's play: http://www.hellokittyonline.com/

Lemonjelly Banned Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 04, 2011 22:58	by Lemonjelly » Mar 22, 2011 12:16 Topaz wrote:First @ all flamers .. i DONT speak for myself in this post : All changes in bgs or removing of bgs are no solution. The only thing that happens: Bgs are empty and Big RVR stay as it is! Here on uthgard are many casual Players they enjojed Bg-play for "quick-fun". exactly this u dont get in the frontier-zones. But i can tell you what casuals and other players (that want to start making "big RVR") get in "big-RVR": they get : NO Group (equal what char) they get: FLAMES in game cause of "adding" they get: bad emo-spams from own realm mates. they get: ignorance from wannabe elite-players. they get a bad name in the realm for "adding and zerging" they get flamed as n00bs and the best of all: they make it WITHOUT knowing the other player. Wow and then complain about bad rvr activities? this is 1 reason cause big rvr is very unattractive for most players . But it seems this arguments are tabu for threads like this. But its not the only reason.. the other reason is in my sig.. Why is the term casual a synonym for zerging or adding on uthgard. I'm a casual player and I don't zerg nor add, and there's plenty of serious players who do both.

GoGreen Gryphon Knight Posts: 234 Joined: Feb 11, 2011 15:00	by GoGreen » Mar 22, 2011 12:30 Hoppip wrote:Do you have any crafters? And how did you afford your first set of barrels if you had to get the money from RvR? Do you mean to tell me farming is not a necessary part of this game? I dont have any crafters expect lvl 600 alchemist -> 2h 400g ish You can start making RvR directly after Thid easily. I have melee chars, supporter and for all of them I could make a temp from the money I made during xping. No procs, no 100% stuff, only Raumarik / CF jewelery but who cares, stats can be capped soo easily for most classes. If you dont pick a stealther as your first class I dont see how you can not start with RvR after Thid.

Celteen Alerion Knight Posts: 2326 Joined: Dec 20, 2010 16:52	by Celteen » Mar 22, 2011 12:43 Yeah there are casuals that dont add, but most do, since they see no reason why not to =) <<< This avatar is handmade by Inotor Wurzelbert : ) Check out the Mampfer-Threads for more. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25079 viewtopic.php?f=10&t=26934

Blue Developer Posts: 15827 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Mar 22, 2011 12:56 Celteen wrote:Yeah there are casuals that dont add, but most do, since they see no reason why not to =) Why not, its a game of defending your realm from enemies and gather enemy lands together. This is the original idea. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

pweet Lion Knight Posts: 4243 Joined: Dec 22, 2010 14:07	by pweet » Mar 22, 2011 13:48 And here we go again. It is alway the same problem. 1. Whine about add of etablished groups scare away casual grps 2. Set grps roll over solo casual grps 3. grp play is not an option as long as they dont run with 2grps -> see 1 4. they do a stealther and are out of real RvR player base 5. they twink and ve fun in thid and are out of real RvR player base

Hoppip Myrmidon Posts: 113 Joined: Jan 29, 2011 04:58	by Hoppip » Mar 22, 2011 14:01 Really like how you guys are pretending like a player never had to farm with the current setup. Unless you consider a template with poor resists a good template... you have to farm some for a good template. And sure, you can get started with a template with no procs, non-capped resists, etc, but you're probably not going to make enough of a profit from RvR to get the upgrade to the good stuff. Gonna have to farm at some point, and most players try and do it before entering the frontiers, where they're already at a disadvantage due to RR differences, and etc. Not to mention those who want to level casters, and get friends set up. It's a time expensive process and ignoring it is honestly not fair. I will concede that you can go out there without too much farming, but if you do you're just stacking the odds against you by not getting everything you could before hitting up the frontiers. Also known as: Kiorein, Acolyn, Skiploom, and Krinton.

Lemonjelly Banned Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 04, 2011 22:58	by Lemonjelly » Mar 22, 2011 14:31 Blue wrote: Celteen wrote:Yeah there are casuals that dont add, but most do, since they see no reason why not to =) Why not, its a game of defending your realm from enemies and gather enemy lands together. This is the original idea. From a roleplaying point of view, yes, but it's most commonly used as an excuse for people who leech realm points and has nothing to do with actual roleplay. Very few people actually rvr for the roleplaying aspect of it.

Thalien Phoenix Knight Posts: 1022 Joined: Apr 18, 2009 00:00 Location: Marburg	by Thalien » Mar 22, 2011 14:39 Hoppip wrote:Really like how you guys are pretending like a player never had to farm with the current setup. Unless you consider a template with poor resists a good template... you have to farm some for a good template. And sure, you can get started with a template with no procs, non-capped resists, etc, but you're probably not going to make enough of a profit from RvR to get the upgrade to the good stuff. Gonna have to farm at some point, and most players try and do it before entering the frontiers, where they're already at a disadvantage due to RR differences, and etc. Not to mention those who want to level casters, and get friends set up. It's a time expensive process and ignoring it is honestly not fair. I will concede that you can go out there without too much farming, but if you do you're just stacking the odds against you by not getting everything you could before hitting up the frontiers. I NEVER farmed on uth exept killing some cf mobs for template items. All my money (i admit it's not much) is from rvr. Even though i got bard eld and bm all with nice templates and the needed pots. Why can i and others not? Same setting for all... Ok i made some plats by selling respecs and only got 8vs8 toons. Solo might be different. Fabienne - Blademaster Junia - Bard Audrina - Ench ----- Zoe - Sorc Stella - Pala Devon - Scout

Lasastard Phoenix Knight Posts: 1180 Joined: May 28, 2009 00:00	by Lasastard » Mar 22, 2011 14:56 Lemonjelly wrote: Blue wrote: Celteen wrote:Yeah there are casuals that dont add, but most do, since they see no reason why not to =) Why not, its a game of defending your realm from enemies and gather enemy lands together. This is the original idea. From a roleplaying point of view, yes, but it's most commonly used as an excuse for people who leech realm points and has nothing to do with actual roleplay. Very few people actually rvr for the roleplaying aspect of it. That has nothing to do with roleplaying. There are simply no rules in place that dictate how to play RvR. Who is to say that adding is 'against the rules'? There are different approaches to RvR - from 1vs1, over 8vs to zerg - and everything in between. If you don't want adds in your fight, play a lobby game that accommodates that play style. Everything else is just one group of people telling another how to play the game, which frankly is BS^2. Sure, I don't like being added in a good 8v8s fight. In those cases we ask the other group not to add - and either they do it (great) or they dont (whatever).

Lemonjelly Banned Posts: 249 Joined: Mar 04, 2011 22:58	by Lemonjelly » Mar 22, 2011 14:57 I didn't say adding is against the rules but to say people add just to "defend their realm" is nonsense. People do it to leech easy realmpoints or just to spite their opponents or even their own realm mates, that's all there is to it Making templates is extremely easy on uthgard and doesn't take long unless you're completely new to the game.

lampardinos Warder Posts: 27 Joined: Oct 18, 2009 00:00	by lampardinos » Mar 22, 2011 15:09 Lemonjelly wrote:I'm not quite sure if you're aware of how long it actually takes to get 50-100k bounty points, there's nothing already existing on uthgard that's actually worth that amount of bp and any custom overpowered stuff would make the game unfair. Well ok. 100k was a bit over the top but 50k shouldnt be that great amount. So if they would implement a reskin for bp its useless if everyone is running with GoV-Skin or Antalya Cloak. Then it wouldnt be any goal to accomplish. But 50k should be hard enough for everybody whos not 'really' interested in reskins and ok for players who like rvr. 50k should be in the middle of rr8 and thats possible to get. As you can see Im really interested in that reskin stuff. Ofc everything else like pets or mediocre armor/gems buyable for bp would give some (not all) bg players a reason to continue rvr.

pweet Lion Knight Posts: 4243 Joined: Dec 22, 2010 14:07	by pweet » Mar 22, 2011 15:10 Add keeps daoc alive, since u never know what will happen next. If u get added, if u roam for 30min finding anything or maybe find a nice 8v8 fight. Thats what makes daoc interesting Keep telling ppl not to add and run 8v8 is just leeching RP from etablished grps, since thats not a fair fight Set grp rr8+ vs Pug If u want just fair fights, daoc is the wrong game for you.

Lasastard Phoenix Knight Posts: 1180 Joined: May 28, 2009 00:00	by Lasastard » Mar 22, 2011 15:23 lampardinos wrote: But 50k should be hard enough for everybody whos not 'really' interested in reskins and ok for players who like rvr. 50k should be in the middle of rr8 and thats possible to get. rr8 is totally beyond reach for most of the players on Uthgard. You can not use this as a dangling carrot if it takes you >1 year to get there. What you could do is have tiered rewards, starting at maybe 2k or similar. But 50k BP is an astronomical amount for anyone not playing in a set group - and those players you don't need to convince to do more RvR to begin with.