Why I don't join endgame rvr
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i saw lots of low rr and not so fotm mid grps in emain yesterday, zerging and having lots of fun (as most of them were in our ally and the ally chat read like it was fun)
 dunno about the fun of the other realms, but there where also lots of albs around soon after the mid zerg started. And one of the first wall camping zerg fights i saw here on uthgard, oh what old feelings  and our grp had maybe the longest fight i ever had in daoc. As we and blutrausch grp fought against a never ending train of alb grps between atk and amg. Must have been around 30 mins pure fighting, as soldiers barricade was up a 3rd time just at our wipe in the end This action every day - with maybe some more hibs - and rvr on uthgard is just healthy and perfect  Last edited by holsten-knight on Jan 18, 2011 13:13, edited 1 time in total.
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Yes seems it helped. Many new faces emain yesterday. Sadly couldn't form a hibgroup yesterday but had a short look in 2 runs in an albgrp.
Fabienne - Blademaster
Junia - Bard Audrina - Ench ----- Zoe - Sorc Stella - Pala Devon - Scout |
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Just add a bonus or minus to RPs in relation to the realm rank of the defeated enemy. For expample if a 8 man group kills an enemy which is RR5, those groupmember who are RR5 too get 1000/8 RPs, those wo are RR4 get 2000/8 RPs, those wo are RR6 get 500/8 RPs and so on. This would help and award low RR players killing higher ones, advancing much faster and also encourage high RR SGs to mess with the best and not farm low RR PUGs.
(There is already a bonus to RPs for higher RR, but it is way too low.)   |
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Hibs are Elite from Elite u know it from ur own guild ? They run ever 8vs8 if runs 3 mid grp they run 8vs8 or other high rr grp ask to run with two grps they say ok. But sometimes i see too that they left.
I saw it often with others random grps they run and die they run and die Wtf? you push the other grps, and not ur own. Ask for add grps if u had no chance and dismiss the qqer 8vs8 pro grps. Its not their game! All ppl have the same rights to have fun. |
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What is this I don't even
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(I only read the original post, never played on live and only on Hib)
I do enjoy endgame RvR very much. I usually have fun rvring in DF or alb/midlands, solo or in group with friends. However I don't really enjoy playing in emain because the "let's have a fair fight" 8v8 mentality doesn't appeal to me at all. That I think is mainly because DAoC in general and Uthgard in particular, by design, do not encourage fairness at all. (the most obvious aspect of that is the rigorous seperation of the 3 realms) I played another game(q3,fps) very actively, also competitively, so I may have a different idea of fairness than other players. I feel that I would spend a lot of time on this post if i were to explain all aspects and thoughts that come to my mind. I do not want to spend too much time on this so here are some random notes on why i dont enjoy the emain 8v8 aspect(which I think was what Thalien had in mind): -don't have a lot of skill -don't have any enjoyable way of improving my skill -i rarely see PUGs running with more than 8 players after failing to beat a group that has significantly more skill. -many of the hardcore 8v8 guys are...how do i put this gently...douchebags(not saying its the majority, but unfortunately stupid people are often the loudest). My impression is that the people that play casually or RPGish are a lot more friendly. |
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I believe what your trying to say here is how can I say it would benefit low RR players to do gaurd tasks if it will just encourage other stealthers and small man groups to just gank them? If I am correct in this, then I say that is the way it should be. High and Mid RR players want to be able to do other forms of RvR besides the usual emain thing. This allows for people to do gaurd tasks for higher rewards and also will allow for other to farm those people doing gaurd tasks for RvR. How is that a bad thing? Helps out the people doing tasks and helps out the small man or stealther that doesnt want to farm in emain. Also, +1 to Garad, who posted about increasing the rps bonus from high RR to low RR. I think that would be huge. I know I would have loved it if at 4L2 and killing a 7L0 player that I got a huge bonus, and I should. That would be a huge help for people to help encourage them to keep going out there. |
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I joined Uthgard a few months back and switched from Alb to Mid thinking that there would be more enemies to kill (based on statistics on herald). I then spent 1 month grinding and SCing a Zerk and Skald together with a friend. We've stopped playing on Uthgard because the RvR is extremely disappointing. The two key reasons are below:
1) Elitist guilds - You see alot of the high RR people on this thread saying "you R4L2 people are lazy, go form your own groups etc" - This is my experience with them: you message them and ask if they are LFG, and they will: ----- a) ignore your message or ----- b) say "no I don't have alot of time", but 5 minutes later you see them join a regular group - I'm not blaming you guys, I played a R11 Hero on live and only ran with people I knew - But Uthgard has a population that is almost 1/5th that of live. It will help the RvR population if you chose to group with newcomers instead of waiting for that perfect uber setup 2) Low RvR population - Because of a low RvR population, forming a group that is competitive can take almost 1hr+ - Note that this involves grouping with random people that you've never played with. I've met Pac healers that can only CC when their instants are up, or healers that don't even know they have a single-target stun, or shamans that don't cast disease - So I end up asking myself, do I really want to spend 1 hour trying to form a half-assed group? No, there are other shards with better RvR action, so I'm not even going to bother In fact, the RvR experience in Thidranki was alot better. People grouped with each other regardless of class, action was good at almost anytime of the day. My suggestion to devs: create a BG for RR4-RR6. This will let the lower RR players group with each other and get some action. RR4-RR6 players can still choose to run in emain with their guild groups. Everyone gets some action this way. |
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even with rr6 you will still ve the same problems. with pugs u ve no chance vs teams which play frequently no matter what ur rr is. and at least in mid i didnt notice that high rr grps dont invite low rr players. but it just rarely happens since they ve a pool of players they know and pick them first for sure.
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cuz on Live a Pug had the chance to find another Pug of the same rr..
u always compare to the times on Live servers.. there wasnt Crossrealming.. Irc.. and all those flaming self crowned Apes that making the Community now Uthgard has.. u played together with the People u like for ur Realm.. started small mans groups .. tried to capture Towers or Keeps now its like Apes got their own 8vs8 Channels and dont run anymore without the same boring setup like all day  the best example was Drachengarde they made nothing wrong but totally flamed by those apes or tomatos what ever u calling them |
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but we had and have a lot of fun... and what they don't know, we feed of flames, we love them
back to topic... for sure i am nowadays one of these high rr that runs most of the time only with the same people he knows. But mainly because you have no real chance otherwise. I would love to play with a lot of old firends here more regular, but i know they kind of lack daoc skills and when we invite them we will not stand a chance the whole evening. It is just more fun to play with people you know and like AND you know they can play. But when we need a specific class we take what is there, RR doesn't matter. But call us picky but we prefer german speaking, just because our fun lives more from the joking around in TS than the actual play in daoc.  i joined a lot of pugs during the summer and probably will be during the next (when DG goes a bit inactive, as always), and at least answering every lfg query should be naturally. |
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probably not on us servers. On some german servers things like a real community (not just a flamemmunity), honor (not the "don't add our fights!!1111" type of honor), realm pride etc. really existed. The stonehenge community was awesome  |
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Sometimes there is just not enough people online to make rvr interesting when i play. last night at 10pm -6gmt was 168 people online server wide emain was a ghost town other than a few solo's and a duo or two. Was some rvr action in snowdonia around hurbury for some time but we didn't want to go add on the small fights that were going on and run off the enemy. Sometimes rvr becomes opening up two keeps and farm the guards then take em when done.... More people would be nice doing the American prime-time. Hard to get realm rank when there is no one to fight. With the coming of OF realm abilities i'm sure there will be a spike in population like when OF was launch or when European servers closed. Once people experience old ra's i'm afraid lot of tanks and hybrid players will either leave or reroll....
Our low population during american prime-time has run off more than it's fair share of players unfortunately.I mean who wants to level up solo, farm solo or rvr with hardly anyone to kill if at all. Only good thing about the low population and it's not a rvr issue but all the prime pve camps are open to be farmed when you want too. lol I have had some good times in the american prime-time when population is little better the small man and solo scenes can be quite fun. but group action can be a bit hit and miss. I know these are not issues for European prime time but they are for us a lot of times. Uthgard 1; Mid: jalora-Runemaster-50-RR5l3-Leg SC, jalori-Thane-50-RR 5l1-LGM-Tailor,jalorie-Shaman-50-RR3l9-Barrel Alch, jalorese-Berserker-48-RR3l4-low-WC,jalorea 50 summon SM, 37 huntress - lgm ac Live; home server: Mid Gawaine jalorian-healer, jaloria-bd, many jalor and bot army alts GM of forn sidr "we knew drama" |
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