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Postby Toblerone » Feb 08, 2010 17:36

Yes it is terribly overpowered. Can hit for up to 1k damage in 5 seconds and there's no way you can avoid it unless you have a shield.

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Postby Seyha » Feb 08, 2010 17:55

Toblerone wrote:Yes it is terribly overpowered. Can hit for up to 1k damage in 5 seconds and there's no way you can avoid it unless you have a shield.


Or the archer misses. Or the archer is dot'ed/bleeding (can't volley with either effect). Or one of his arrows triggers a reactive proc which interrupts the volley. Or you just interrupt him the good ol' fashion way.

It's not 1k damage in 6 seconds. It's 9-10 seconds because of the time it takes to prepare the volley. How much damage can a DD spec caster do in 10 seconds to a target without resist buffs? And I'm sure none of their spells have a 15 second cool down.
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Postby Zarkor » Feb 08, 2010 17:58

Seyha wrote:
Toblerone wrote:Yes it is terribly overpowered. Can hit for up to 1k damage in 5 seconds and there's no way you can avoid it unless you have a shield.


Or the archer misses. Or the archer is dot'ed/bleeding (can't volley with either effect). Or one of his arrows triggers a reactive proc which interrupts the volley. Or you just interrupt him the good ol' fashion way.

It's not 1k damage in 6 seconds. It's 9-10 seconds because of the time it takes to prepare the volley. How much damage can a DD spec caster do in 10 seconds to a target without resist buffs? And I'm sure none of their spells have a 15 second cool down.


Volley is OPed, it doesnt even trigger the enemy target upon hitting.

Seriously, trying to make it look like it's balanced is just silly. It might be somewhat balanced in zerg or leech RvR, but in 1v1 it's terribly OPed.

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Postby Seyha » Feb 08, 2010 18:14

Zarkor wrote:Volley is OPed, it doesnt even trigger the enemy target upon hitting.


That is also a bug, and I'm guessing it's related to the volley/camo bug. This should be a priority fix.

Yes, volley is powerful in an ambush situation when the target has no time to react.

So you're mad because a full bow spec archer can kill you with bow in an ambush? What's the problem?
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Postby danteafk » Feb 08, 2010 18:16

so its not livelike ?


where the fix ? olz

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 08, 2010 18:17

Seyha wrote:Or the archer misses.

Don't think I ever saw it happen.

Seyha wrote:Or the archer is dot'ed/bleeding (can't volley with either effect).

Why would you start attacking someone if you know you can't ?

Seyha wrote:Or one of his arrows triggers a reactive proc which interrupts the volley.

Odds of finding someone with reactive DDs on their armor... 0%.

Seyha wrote:Or you just interrupt him the good ol' fashion way.

Hard to do sometimes because volley doesn't "autotarget" a person like normal shots do.

Seyha wrote:It's not 1k damage in 6 seconds.

Sometimes even less then 6 actually.

Seyha wrote:It's 9-10 seconds because of the time it takes to prepare the volley.

You mean while you're stealthed ?

Seyha wrote:How much damage can a DD spec caster do in 10 seconds to a target without resist buffs?

Not too terribly much. Tried playing one on uthgard ? :)

Seyha wrote:And I'm sure none of their spells have a 15 second cool down.

I'm sure bolts have 20 second cooldown, for example. I'm also sure casters can get interrupted easier since their range is lower than an archer's (unless volley also has 1500 range, cba to check) and they don't have stealth to get into position unnoticed before attacking.



But I understand your concern, all these solo mages running around emain nuking down everything in their path, it's a plague, really.
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Postby Seyha » Feb 08, 2010 18:18

danteafk wrote:so its not livelike ?


where the fix ? olz


Besides the bugs, which have already been reported, what part of volley is not live like?
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Postby Braxis » Feb 08, 2010 18:19

Toblerone wrote:But I understand your concern, all these solo mages running around emain nuking down everything in their path.

You gotta love this guy. :lol:

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Postby Amadeth » Feb 08, 2010 18:22

I don't personally have a problem with Volley, I've been pwned by it at times when I was slow or just plain stupid. I'm just still fascinated at what happened last night. There is no ambush that you can pull off on a speed 5 target running exactly from you, engaging SoS, yet you still land 4 arrows in about 4-5 seconds and kill it.

Ok, I guess now such ambush is possible, lol, but I just can't explain it. If it is really possible to change GT during an ongoing Volley attack, then this guy was a master at it.
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Postby Runis » Feb 08, 2010 18:31

Cmon changing GT can be so easy... with /groundset macros and even manual set and shooting from the mouse.

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Postby Weia » Feb 08, 2010 19:05

danteafk wrote:a OT questsion here.

is volley here somehow OP`d or bugged ? cuz every archerclass is using it, never saw anyone on live over the years using it.


That is something I've been wondering about too. Now I don't have any proof either. I had an archer on life, but never played him much. I didn't even try to use volley, since all I heared or read about it was that it's a pretty useless ability.

But in all my time of running solo on life with my other classes, I had to fight a lot of archers. I was never attacked with volley even once. Even scouts always just used critshot after slamming, and I got slammed and shot a lot. There would have been so many situations where Uthgard Volley would have been the ideal tool to take me down. Yet all I ever had to deal with have been normal and crit shots.

Now it could of course be that all those archers I encountered on life, on all the servers I played on, were just morons that didn't know how to play their class and thus just ignored this extremely powerful weapon.

I just don't think that this is very likely. Something is wrong. But as long as noone can tell what exactly it is, we'll probably have to live with the current implementation.

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Postby Vashna » Feb 08, 2010 19:15

Toblerone wrote:
Seyha wrote:It's 9-10 seconds because of the time it takes to prepare the volley.

You mean while you're stealthed ?


As far as i know, preparing a volley unstealth you.

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Postby danteafk » Feb 08, 2010 19:17

that explains all...weia

great deal here :F something is wrong but noone knows what.

beside this, the chance is 0,001:100 that the archers on live didnt know how to play / use volley.

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 08, 2010 19:19

Vashna wrote:
Toblerone wrote:
Seyha wrote:It's 9-10 seconds because of the time it takes to prepare the volley.

You mean while you're stealthed ?


As far as i know, preparing a volley unstealth you.

Still, unless the archer is in plain sight (read: retarded) interruping him early is impossible.

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Postby danteafk » Feb 08, 2010 19:36

so lovely. dieing in 2 seconds of volley while im running :D

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