Toughness is 3% of your total HP after +Con gear, +Con buffs etc. But NOT +HP from gear.

So get buffed / templated and its your hp - 200

Raifs wrote:Forgot about the 3% from your base hp part. Don't buy toughness ever

I wouldn't invest in any mana ra's especially not if your running solo. MCL during Group fights only helps you after getting rezzed so I wouldn't want to get that either.

Yeah, it's a total ******, i would have doubt even on taking it on a pure tank.. at least unless it's like lvl 4/5... but... meh.

@Mcl_vs_Combat: Well, yeah during group fights if you are not in combat with a BD something is surely wrong, But, once you get OOM, then i'm quite sure you will find 8 seconds while you are just moving without anything offensive on you, and that window of time will let you gain 30% of your power bar, which is still something quite good compared to the only 3 points necessary for it

Edit:

Nezix wrote:Toughness is 3% of your total HP after +Con gear, +Con buffs etc. But NOT +HP from gear.

So get buffed / templated and its your hp - 200

Are you sure about this? Because i recall differently..
I mean, based on such behavior, a conbuff effect (or debuff!) would change its effectivness depending on how many levels of thoughness you trained at that moment.. which seems quite strange to me.

Hope im wrong ofc, since it's kinda a waste of points normally ^^

as skald it was pretty useful on high level, raised my hitpoints to almost as much as warriors had (at least i remember it like that... could be wrong). and we all know, skald has soooo many useful things for group with old ra, why not spend it there...

i just hope they implement that crappy old anger wrong and its a bit better than it was...

Caemma wrote:Edit:

Nezix wrote:Toughness is 3% of your total HP after +Con gear, +Con buffs etc. But NOT +HP from gear.

So get buffed / templated and its your hp - 200

Are you sure about this? Because i recall differently..
I mean, based on such behavior, a conbuff effect (or debuff!) would change its effectivness depending on how many levels of thoughness you trained at that moment.. which seems quite strange to me.

Hope im wrong ofc, since it's kinda a waste of points normally ^^

Quite sure.
Grab bag:

Q: Does the toughness RA add 3% of your hp WITHOUT items or 3% of your max HP including the points you get from loot?

A: The bonus is applied to the number of hit points you have before hit points you get from +HP items are added in.

Edit: In the past someone shared some screenshots from pre-ToA that proved this as well. But they aren't mine so I won't share them.

Nezix wrote:Quite sure.
Grab bag:

Q: Does the toughness RA add 3% of your hp WITHOUT items or 3% of your max HP including the points you get from loot?

A: The bonus is applied to the number of hit points you have before hit points you get from +HP items are added in.

Edit: In the past someone shared some screenshots from pre-ToA that proved this as well. But they aren't mine so I won't share them.

Is this grab bag taken from Uth forum or live?

Other than that, it doesn't specify anything about buff bonuses saddly.. it only confirm that Thoughness % doesn't apply to the +HP bonuses from gear.. but what about +Con from gear (this one might be implicit tho)? But more important what about the +155 con from buffs?

Caemma wrote:Is this grab bag taken from Uth forum or live?

Other than that, it doesn't specify anything about buff bonuses saddly.. it only confirm that Thoughness % doesn't apply to the +HP bonuses from gear.. but what about +Con from gear (this one might be implicit tho)? But more important what about the +155 con from buffs?

http://web.archive.org/web/20100106040018/http://camelotherald.com/news/news_article.php?t=game&storyid=762
From Live. Like I said, had some old screen shots that proved this too, with and without buffs.

Caemma wrote:...
Ummmmmhh... Not even MCL?
I mean, BD suck so much mana in a so little time.. you might need some mana-sustain RA (even to combine with pots on rez)
...

No reason not to get mcl1, and a bd doesn't have to suck that much mana.
Low level spells interrupt just as well as high level ones.

Caemma wrote:...
Wonder if Serenity (in general) will be something worth thinking of, or just a bad ra filler?
...

Serenity is just a waste now; at the same level as mastery of water. Or, that one actually can be useful if you rvr close to a lake.

Why is Serenity garbage now? What changed from old RA to new?

Does somebody know if different Damage add types stack with 1.65? For example Warden damage add and enchanter damage add buff.

Jerrian wrote:Does somebody know if different Damage add types stack with 1.65? For example Warden damage add and enchanter damage add buff.

they wont stack. they never did. FotG (skald RA) is going to stack though.

Nezix wrote:

Caemma wrote:Is this grab bag taken from Uth forum or live?

Other than that, it doesn't specify anything about buff bonuses saddly.. it only confirm that Thoughness % doesn't apply to the +HP bonuses from gear.. but what about +Con from gear (this one might be implicit tho)? But more important what about the +155 con from buffs?

http://web.archive.org/web/20100106040018/http://camelotherald.com/news/news_article.php?t=game&storyid=762
From Live. Like I said, had some old screen shots that proved this too, with and without buffs.

Interesting source, thanks
Still what makes you think for sure that the +155 buffbonus or the +75con from gear will be affected the +% of toughtness? Do you have any other source, or those screenshots that actually prove it? (Because from that answer it is clear that -only- the +HP bonuses from items are NOT affected)
But more "important": how it will be calculated on uthgard lol? (That's why i'm asking the more precise proof, in order to eventually show to staff)

First of all thanks to Nef and everyone else who's contributed to this thread!

Second, we're having trouble deciding what to run on Hib, we know we're doing 3 casters (ench, eld, menta) and obviously
2x druids, Bard, and Hero. How ever the last spot is what we can't agree on. Any suggestions ?

I say BladeMaster or Warden and sign me up lol

cabown wrote:First of all thanks to Nef and everyone else who's contributed to this thread!

Second, we're having trouble deciding what to run on Hib, we know we're doing 3 casters (ench, eld, menta) and obviously
2x druids, Bard, and Hero. How ever the last spot is what we can't agree on. Any suggestions ?

Warden would be a nice help with resists/BT/heals
BM as a rupt frontline tank
another bard for perma
another eld with different spec
another hero
a 3rd druid different spec
...

Pretty much anything fills in imo

Hello, could you tell me what should be, for a Norse Berserk, the starting points, spec (perhaps spec progression) and RA progression?

I would need the same for a Celt Blademaster, if possible.

Thank you very much.