We don't leave atk withouth such a grp...

Hedra wrote:

Demiurgo wrote:In my opinion paladin is the best bodyguard in the 3 kingdomds, followed by warrior and hero.
If you have to use 1 slot to bodyguard, what is better than gaining a free group-chant af shield stacking with cleric spec shield?
Also, you will have endurance till the bodyguard dies, that's pretty harder than bard or shaman^

Nice one, three sentences and not a word of truth ^^

no this is the truth. see people focus on class vs. class all the time, and you cant do that with DAOC because every class is so different. You cant compare a paladin to a warrior or hero, there is no comparison here. Paladin's are not meant to do the dmg that warriors/heros are. And to be honest warriors/heros are not meant to be block bots.

here is the real issue of why paladins are better...

if you are using your hero or warrior as a block bot, your wasting massive utility. as hibs you cant really have a hero as a block bot (peel and dps yes, but not block bot), you are wasting precious dps that hibs need since they lack it...

in mid, its just dumb, you can do it, because you have the dps from your zerkers/savages and dont really need the extra, but I think its a waste of utility, warriors have solid dmg, and should not be block bots (only maybe when the zerker zerks, but never for a caster)...

paladins can afford to be block bots, because they give the same utility as block bots as they do on a assist train if not more. the group still gets the benefits of all the chants they have, and classes like thergs/sorcs who are serious interrupts for alb, dominate even more if they have that protection. when albs have a block bot, they are much more successful imo. they dont need the dps of a paladin to win fights, because what albs lack in dps, they make up in bolt range interrupts, shears, and therg pets.

again people focus on a class vs. class basis, you cant do that in this game. its not that paladin that is "OPd," its the position/role in a group setup and that classes responsibilites/utility, compared to the other realms similar spot....

Paladin f*cking sucks. Groups only take one for the endu regen, that's it. They bring no other utility to the group. Hedra was right, and your science fiction here is pure bullcrap spawned from utter ignorance. Try actually playing the game, playing a paladin, hero or warrior and compare the utility. Paladin comes last in everything.

again your comparing them to hero's or warriors...

mids/hibs give up group utility by having a blockbot, albs gain utility by having one, it frees up their "good" classes. and it just so happens that that blockbot has endurance and is very difficult to kill...

so in this silly argument, which realm has the best blockbot, albs win...

not because a paladin is a better class then heros/warriors, they suck compared to those 2, but because albs gain utility by having one, and mids and hibs do not

How can a class that has to waste more realm skill points on crowd control reduction (and still be crowd controlled longer than the other two), the only class that cannot afford to spec 50 shield, the only that has no dex growth be the best blockbot ?

What utility does an alb group gain by grouping a paladin ? Endu regen, oh wow, like mid and hib groups don't have that

I'm sorry but you're really clueless about the term deftank, and especially paladins. I especially lold at when you said "they have their own endu". Paladin runs ooe faster than any other class on this server, regardless of having their own endu.

first off, you are clueless for comparing a paladin to a pure tank anyways...they should be compared to warden/thane, those are hybrids. and they are far better then wardens/thanes

btw bards have the worst endo, can be interrupted, and they can be killed very easily, and they worry about CC first, cant just hit a button and endo is up

you either have never played a paladin, or never played with a good one. it is a solid class, they also have snares, dmg add, spec af chant and are impossible to kill

start a thread on comparing arms as a blockbot over heros/warriors, then you would have ground to stand on

I am sick of people saying that classes are bad because they are not OPd. "paladins 2h dmg is bad, blah blah blah," yea its a hybrid its not meant to be good, does that mean we give them warrior weaponskill???? absolutley not. Paladins are a solid class, its not the class that is bad, its the player behind it that counts....rare runs a solid paladin, he knows what hes doing. our tanks complain about him all the time, pain in the butt

Pointless discussing something with someone who has zero experience on the matter and just spews their own clueless opinion over and over

Especially saying I never played a paladin when I'm the one paladin everyone looks up to in gameplay on this server. Go back to school little one, you have much to learn. Even rare's "solid" paladin you praise so much was asking me for tips after watching my movie ^^

Try actually playing the classes/realms you so carelessly comment.

Hes from live y0, he knows how sh*t works. Mercs and bm's who spec shield SUCK cause they loose 10 base dmg, oh and they have to switch. Real live pros don't switch cause their hand/eye coordination is so good that the server would crash from all that fast switching.

I have more 8-man experience on live and classic then both of you combined..

who is your paladin btw??? and I would love to see your video lol

ntc wrote:I have more 8-man experience on live and classic then both of you combined..

who is your paladin btw??? and I would love to see your video lol

Toblerone has 2 vids around here somewhere , search and u ll find em, he plays his pala oke, more slambot then guardbot ,its his style.

ntc wrote:no this is the truth. see people focus on class vs. class all the time, and you cant do that with DAOC because every class is so different. You cant compare a paladin to a warrior or hero, there is no comparison here. Paladin's are not meant to do the dmg that warriors/heros are. And to be honest warriors/heros are not meant to be block bots.

here is the real issue of why paladins are better...

if you are using your hero or warrior as a block bot, your wasting massive utility. as hibs you cant really have a hero as a block bot (peel and dps yes, but not block bot), you are wasting precious dps that hibs need since they lack it...

in mid, its just dumb, you can do it, because you have the dps from your zerkers/savages and dont really need the extra, but I think its a waste of utility, warriors have solid dmg, and should not be block bots (only maybe when the zerker zerks, but never for a caster)...

paladins can afford to be block bots, because they give the same utility as block bots as they do on a assist train if not more. the group still gets the benefits of all the chants they have, and classes like thergs/sorcs who are serious interrupts for alb, dominate even more if they have that protection. when albs have a block bot, they are much more successful imo. they dont need the dps of a paladin to win fights, because what albs lack in dps, they make up in bolt range interrupts, shears, and therg pets.

again people focus on a class vs. class basis, you cant do that in this game. its not that paladin that is "OPd," its the position/role in a group setup and that classes responsibilites/utility, compared to the other realms similar spot....

Basically you're saying paladins are better because they are blockbot and can't do anything else ? Makes sense.
Well, even as blockbot they are still worse than other tanks. If we didn't need them for endu, no one would invite paladins.

thats not the point, they have to be grouped, just like druids/clerics, bards, shamans....

thats like saying if chanters didnt have heat debuff, I wouldnt never group one....which is true they are 1 dementional...

but paladins are a vital part of alb groups, just like shamans, and bards, live with it.....imo they are a solid class, and a important addition to alb groups

Yes they have to be grouped, but they remain the worst possible defensive tank you get in usual groups from all 3 realms. I don't complain about it, it's just fact. Same as enchanters are the worst damage debuffers.

Somebody just needs to nuke this thread.