The amount of fail in only 3 pages amazes me.

Rent wrote:...
[b]I think there are only 2 problems which avoid longer RvR war.

I) sticking on grps with other grps
...

I do not agree at this point. I think zerg is the only way newbies got to win vs higher/better players. Of course if good groups stick the zerg it will only be a mess.
So let to solo/new players their zerg/add and play 8vs8 with your good group.

Rent wrote:A lot of player doesn´t know that there are 3 (!!) realms who can participate in RvR ~o~

To fairness for 8vs8 fights:

-Nobody let solos or smaller grps alive ... everbody kills them with bigger grp ... so where is the fairness? so pls shut up when you´re brabbling about fair fg vs fg fights -.-

-Like i said in first sentence ... there are 3 Realms
example: Mid vs Hib is fighting => Albs are joining => there AREN´T Adder/leecher ...because DAoC is made for 3 forces and not 2

A other point => RvR

Everybody has the right to join RvR to defend the realm . This is a game.

If you want fair duells , buy a sword in real life , train 6-10 years , search for a equal enemy and do a death duel XD Really funny .. only 1 lost fight and you can´t do it again ;P
Means => be happy that you play a game which gives you a lot of times chances to find spontanous fair and difficult battles.

And last but not least Zerg XD

With a good (ooookay high RR) grp it´s possible to fight against 2 normal FGs without problems .

I think there are only 2 problems which avoid longer RvR war.

I) sticking on grps with other grps
II) a fast give up

Running in a current battle is in the most of cases okay, but don´t overdo it.


P.S.: X-realming is only fine , when the one took ~1 hour outside before he´s logging again in a other realm.( in other way it´s realmspying and warwinnerlogging)

makes sense to me...

Xrealming never have sense, its just having an advantage of knowing where are the enemies or current allies... just like RP farming that currently several ppl are making and getting only a ban of 7 days...

isnt that worst than a buffbot who gets permanent banned ??

Whats the problem of xrealm, unless u just log to kill xper and log out.

People go Agra for RvR. In RvR you meet people, atleast after the first inc there is no suprise - you should know (look up herald) who plays against you. Where is the big advantage of xrealm? Just some people dont get bored.

Winning side joining? Why is it bad and why would anyone do it?

Alternative is you log out. Example 1fg hibs , 1fg mids around but just 4 albs.
You want them to log out - sounds like fun? Or to go out against those fg's?
Definitly fun ...

Greetz
Nes

Maybe if everyone were ably to X-Realm freely, it would even out by itself...but that's a fairly neoliberalistic approach.

Monty Python said it best:

We're Knights of the Round Table,
We dance when ere we're able,
We do routines and chorus scenes
With footwork impeccable.
We dine well here in Camelot,
We eat ham and jam and spam a lot.
We're Knights of the Round Table,
Our shows are formidable, But many times, we're given rhymes
That are quite unsingable.
We're Opera mad in Camelot,
We sing from the diaphragma looooooot.
In war we're tough and able,
Quite indefatigable,
Between our quests we sequin vests,
And impersonate Clark Gable.
It's a busy life in Camelot,
I have to push the pram a lot.

(...) as far as i know DAoC isn't designed to be 8vs8.

DAoC is not designed to be only 8vs8 but it's a part of the game.
We have had started a project for the 8vs8 community on Uthgard about one year ago.
The project's aim was to calm the conflict and to give our people a platform to have fun on Uthgard without destroying anyone's fun.
Well.. the project was banned in the moment we published it - we were insulted as being "RP Farmers" and "cheaters", not only from non-stafflers.

In my opinion, this conflict will get worse and worse; ignoring each other will not help.
But this community, even this staff is not open for such initiatives, so they have to deal with the problems resulting in ignoring this conflict.
Well, of course you could ban people, of course you could prohibit this part of gameplay.

All the worlds conflicts are best solved by guns, not diplomatically in discussions and initiatives.
Do you see the ironic parallels?

Ozerdin wrote:

(...) as far as i know DAoC isn't designed to be 8vs8.

DAoC is not designed to be only 8vs8 but it's a part of the game.
We have had started a project for the 8vs8 community on Uthgard about one year ago.
The project's aim was to calm the conflict and to give our people a platform to have fun on Uthgard without destroying anyone's fun.
Well.. the project was banned in the moment we published it - we were insulted as being "RP Farmers" and "cheaters", not only from non-stafflers.

In my opinion, this conflict will get worse and worse; ignoring each other will not help.
But this community, even this staff is not open for such initiatives, so they have to deal with the problems resulting in ignoring this conflict.
Well, of course you could ban people, of course you could prohibit this part of gameplay.

All the worlds conflicts are best solved by guns, not diplomatically in discussions and initiatives.
Do you see the ironic parallels?

I don't really understand this about ruining each others fun and QQing in forums, the only ones QQing are NO ADD 8v8 only people, because their perception of fun is the one that can get ruined ingame, other people can have their fun if they just ignore the QQers.

Ozerdin wrote:...
DAoC is not designed to be only 8vs8 but it's a part of the game.
...

Oh well, 'part of the game', here we go again. Players try to play this '8vs8' way in game, and at times it works. And that is really all there is to it.

The same is true for 'just leveling in DF without getting involved in RvR', 'not getting overrun by FGs while soloing', or 'getting SC for free'. It all can and occasionally does happen in game, and so in a certain way it all is 'part of the game'. But in no case does that mean that you have any right to expect to be able to play like that whenever you want.

In DAoC, you cannot play 8vs8. What you can do is play 8vsX, where X includes everything the enemy realms will throw at you, and additionally any members of your realm that interfere in your fights in a way that you don't like. Because THAT is how DAoC is DESIGNED to be played.

Sure, wouldn't it be nice if we could all just play the game the way we want to, but for obvious reasons it's not working (would probably be a bit too boring and predictable anyway). This is well accepted for leveling in DF, trying solo RvR, or basing what an SC should cost on what you currently have in your wallet. It's really time for the 8mans to accept that they are nothing special either, and to stop whining and rage-quitting like a noob that got ganked in DF just because they got zerged.

When going into a fight, bring enough players, because what is really hurting lv50 RvR is not bringing enough targets for all the enemies.

there are 4 schools of thought :

1. "mannered group"
the leet evil ts group that just wants a fair fight (fair in terms of equal players vs equal players - usually 8v8). they want their 8v8 at all costs.they enjoy nice long and fair fights for several minutes.they wait till others finish their fight before they engage.they try to prevent zerging.as soon as a zerg shows up anyway they are gone.
[Purple/Green guys + AV in alb + MB in hib,old GDRW players]

2. "solo"
the solo guy that wants to have some fun too (and adds) - leeches a bit but usually getting killed on sight. no biggy.they either join up a group or log. some soloers are successful on their own and stay alone - others don´t.doesn´t cause zerging , but prolly won´t log out if there is a "zerg".
[random ppl in all realms]

3. "random group"
the not so leet non ts random group consisting of solo guys that want to have some fun too. they engage a 8v8 without hesitation. the fight is over in less than 30seconds cause of the sheer mass of a playeradvantage.
but they made rpsssss ! doesn´t matter that the opponents are really ****** right now and instant log or organize another group to stick em now.
these groups don´t last very long since the setup itself has some flaws + the players are usually "not that experienced". leading to a split up rather sooner than later. causing "zerg" zerg-> they log
[random people everywhere, mostly seen in hib.sometimes in mid]

4. "wannabe mannered group"
the halvassed leet ts group that wants to be treated fair , but doesn´t care about fairnes anymore as soon as they see enemies.
they complain about getting "added" but doing it on their own anyway.
pretty much the same as nr3 but usually more persistant.
they cause zerg , but even then they stay untill its absolute pointless.
[EDN,NJ,CHAOS pretty much mids in general,sometimes a few albs]

i can understand any of them. and due to their different style of play there are conflicts between them leading to these wonderfull /broad or IRC flames.

nobody can tell you how you are supposed to play so everyone is "right" in their own way.
on the other side their "goals" are different and cause trouble to the "others" with their behaviour.

Well salbei i spent a lot of time watching grps fighting around and i can clearly see who the zergers are, all realms have (i remember lot of times hib zerged), stop that nonsense that mids zerg only.

If a perfect grp (that wants their FAIR 8V8) meets a soloer what happens? WHAT? they surely kill him. If they meet a duo what happens? They kill them. If they meet a trio what ? what happens? they surely kill them. So WHERE is that mighty FAIRNESS 8 people mighty grps? (rarely i saw grps leaving 1v1 fights end without any small heals or debuffs, i NEVER saw a grp leaving a soloer alive tho)

I will always add if i can, they will always spoil my 1v1 fun, they will kill me anyway if they meet me solo, they will kill me anyway even if i WONT add anymore their 8v8.

It's their mentality of mighty gamers, to proove that they can kill 1 player with a grp, 1v1 is too hard for some of us . So stop this nonsense, you can impose some rules only if u are a comunist of some sort.

PS: /military to all that are proud of a 1v1 fight without any heals or help from their realm (/worship eshee and his friar friend)

Lol I love how he used "mannered" to describe MB, priceless.

Salbei wrote:4. "wannabe mannered group"
the halvassed leet ts group that wants to be treated fair , but doesn´t care about fairnes anymore as soon as they see enemies.
they complain about getting "added" but doing it on their own anyway.
pretty much the same as nr3 but usually more persistant.
they cause zerg , but even then they stay untill its absolute pointless.
[EDN,NJ,CHAOS pretty much mids in general,sometimes a few albs]

lol salbei... you did not really follow this thread... NJ complaint about EdN/Chaos for flaming not to add...

Now that you joined MB you count yourself to a mannered player I guess... really amusing since you must have changed your mind quickly after joining...

->flaming
i love how your guild fell apart after you´ve found out that you guys are a lost case w/o the cover of a zerg
hail to you, honorable grove protector. happy now ?

->runis
hmm i didn´t write that mid always zergs - if you read carefully i was trying to say that they are opportunist scum without honor , thats a slight difference.
and yes , tons of hibs add and zerg like there is literally no tomorrow.
just wanted to generalize the 4 sorts of players that are around and that it is next to impossible to make everyone of them happy.

i know it and you know it too - stealthers add groupfights , and usually don´t pick fulltanks to jump

its just "damage prevention". it´s not that you have to complain about groups ,stealthers can always find some weak prey ^^

killing solos while grouped is usually done for the purpose of attracting a fg. and usually the "honorable groups" i´ve mentioned respect fair fights.

-> robustus you can write what you want here . on the battlefield they are all alike with very few exeptions.

i´m no white sheep - when i am solo i add fights too. but while grouped i represent "my" guild.

beeing "mannered" rvr-wise doesn´t have anything to do with bein "mannered" in RL.

Now that you joined MB you count yourself to a mannered player I guess...

Salbei counted himself a mannered player always, guildless or not, since he was mid and every sb besides him sucked. He plays good but sometimes think wrong.

Edit: categorizing is wrong, there are exceptions from any "mannered or unmannered side", anything can happen, i killed soloers when grouped with savage too, i added rupting clerics/druids/whatever to give a slight advantage to my realm grp too, and i think everyone did it sometimes, and i admit it, but most of the time i respect 1v1 fights.

i am a very balanced person. for every grey i gank - i buff some lowbies.
if i am nice to someone then i am usually an asshole to somebody else . dunno why , but i work that way.

its a pattern

i handle 1v1´s the same way , usually i watch who wins before i enter combat unless there is a person there that really annoyed me earlier, if it is a 2+v1 i add immediately. i also add fg fights pick one out and then leave is my routine lately.
while grouped i do what the leader says. and if i don´t like how my leader is handling stuff then i leave.

everybody got his own general "pattern". that is just my style of play^^

that categorize thing was to show my point of view of how things are working.my personal point of view.i know that i´m gonna offend some people with this but hey - its up to you to prove me wrong.

this doesn´t have anything to do with me playing hib . i´ve noticed it while playing mid (~1year), i´ve noticed it while playing alb (~3/4 year) and i´ve noticed the exact same "categories" of players in hib now.i know most people that i fight and i´ve played with most of them already. the uthgard rvr-community is not that big.