Heroes have extra HP on live, beside CLs, and caps.

Ranius wrote:Heroes have extra HP on live, beside CLs, and caps.

was also meant for the caster part but ok.. still aply for heroes..

on Live they needed to add CL hp etc because the was higher higher and much more higher .. look at offtanks on uth and on live server

here hitting for 150-250 (except zerker ^^) on live 250-450 etc dont want to talk about caster ^^ even heal patch was a must have on live on uth it would be nice because rvr would be much harder but thats another thing ..^^

I'm not saying amount of hp is bugged on Uthgard. I'm just trying to connect it with other changes made here. Although many things werent really buggy they got changed to make the game more balanced. Hp is one of the most immportant reasons why ppl really play full tanks. As Ranius has already mencioned. Tank on Uthgard has almost same hp amount like hybrid. He has almost same dmg or even lower dmg than a hybrid. It's defensive abitilies are almost same as hybrid's one as long as you're not full shield specced tank (dont even try to get a rvr grp with such a spec...). They dont have spells, heals etc. The only thing what makes ppl play them is stoi but it's still not worth the effort. I'm writing mostly about Armsman, Hero, Warrior because they are so underestimated classes on Uth.

Another part to discusion is huge rule of supporter tanks like BM/Merc, Zerk also but not that much. Somehow they have much higher dmg (2 weapons), because of 39 skill bonus they can spec 1h weapons, both hands weapons and shield! without almost any dmg lose (this is quite funny) and such a things like charge, stoi, dirty tricks/tw/bersi, which make them even more powerfull.


End of a whaney part now lets talk about details.

1. 2h dmg vs 1h dmg. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN CHECKED ALREADY (sorry) but it's still possible to reach same dmg as 2h weapon with 1h weapon. It shouldnt be possible!
Main tanks like Warrior, Hero, Armsman cant spec both hand weapons. Their power is slow but huge dmg dealt with 2h weapons. On Uthgard actualy you can simply spec your BM with Blunt + CD and reach 2h weapon's dmg with main hand + off hand dmg add. Guys... Do you really think it's designed to work this way?

2. 75% skill/enemy lvl dmg bonus. On live there is a bonus which gives you better dmg with every spec point you take. I've made many researches but havent found any informations about such a bonus like we do have here on Uthgard. You can ask Attilah when he comes how big difference there is between 39 and 50 spec vs 50lvl enemy. Almost zero. You can easly say the only difference is created by new styles. That's why supporter tanks like BM/Merc are able to skill 39 weapon 42 shield 50 cd/dw. That's what makes them so good.

I hope those more and more flame topics will make GMs test tank dmg. At least this 75% bonus.

ofc everything hits stronger, but for uthgard, offtanks hit ok and hero's hp is NOT ok.

Cespx is saying exactly what I'm trying to tell. What advantage do you have as hero? Stoi? Woohoo!

Ranius wrote:ofc everything hits stronger, but for uthgard, offtanks hit ok and hero's hp is NOT ok.

Cespx is saying exactly what I'm trying to tell. What advantage do you have as hero? Stoi? Woohoo!

well then this really isnt a hero vs inf issue.. then its a heavy tank dmg bugged issue and should be reported in bug forums and not rvr forum

A BM/merc with 39 weapon will have 50+ with skill bonus and will use only CD/DW styles, so they don't lose damage... You should lose damage only if you use blade/blunt/... styles.
It's the same thing for the 2 hand weapons for albs (you need 50 in weapon spec for most damage).

By the way, even on live these tanks have always been much less effective than merc/bm/zerk before they were upgraded, and if I remember well the first changes came in 1.81 ...
When I played live around 1.80 I remember that no one wanted armsman in groups ...

Ranius wrote:Funny. Something like this would never happen on live.

Come'on ranius, and dont cry anymore.
If you think that being tank with full SCed is all you need to win, roll another game, daoc isnt a child game.
I kicked ur ass soo easily, and i will do it again as soon i see you.
Dont get offended, but u need some more train baby.

btw...combat steps were:
I made pa on you (now u are Lifebaned and seriously debuffed str/dex and u forgot to say taht with PA, i critical hit you for 220 more damage, maybe couse mop4?470+220), u slamed me, u missed timing to try first side positional style and straffed, then u fumbled, 3rd try hit on me, getting about 260 damage, i woke up from slam and i hit u with garrote (3rd weapon, now disease on you and 4th weapon with combat speed debuff poison, and more critical hits coming110+40) you were hitting slow, but now u hit each 3,5 secs or more, while i was hitting you each 1.6 secs with the slowest weapon i can use (legendary btw, you run low on spirit resis mate, redo better ur SCed armor) then i evaded ur slow next move, so u got a really nice dragonfang on ur bones 140, getting freezed, while lifebaned 64+64+64, and....what to say...harmstring complete chain(3*1.3 styles) + 2 poison tiks, enough to make u bit dust.

I really dont understand what you were trying with this post.
You fear infils? lol, get real, duel lueckeen for example, ns is a really better class than infil.

-Items with buff charges, potions/bottles/barrels, mp armor mp weapons, full tempalted, ability to play your class, this is all that you need.
Im a soloer class, if you are not familiarized with soling tactics, dont cry.
If each time i got killed in rvr by another "weaker" class i would post it on forum...

Btw, I'm Jaque, and this day i was rr4l8. Watch your back next time, couse now im rr5, and i will fight 16.5dps on you

There are no weak clases ranius, only weak players.

Tarnum wrote:There are no weak clases ranius, only weak players.

MmMmM.

There are no op classes, only op players!

Cespx,your Char was finally fixed ...haven´t fought him in a small grp since then,wanna see how Melees do against you now

mfassben wrote:Cespx,your Char was finally fixed ...haven´t fought him in a small grp since then,wanna see how Melees do against you now

hehe i got him in solo 2 times ^^ (its truly hard >.<)

@ ranius

reroll a stealther and try by yourself to fight a full tank and see if its that easy ^^

it isnt....some tanks are very very hard to beat, due to solo spec and ras, some are easy cuz they lack these skills -> you dont have purge ? poison gonna make it....-> you dont have ip ? next disadvantage....-> you run charges and/or pots ? -> you should ...

if an inf wants to play with you and he has at least purge2 (for slam) he can do whatever he wants...just snare and disease you and take a walk ^^

its not just all black and white.....

@ jacque

i would really like to trade my nuke ability from ns for 2.5 skillpoints per level like the infi has

Tarnum wrote:

Ranius wrote:Funny. Something like this would never happen on live.

Come'on ranius, and dont cry anymore.
If you think that being tank with full SCed is all you need to win, roll another game, daoc isnt a child game.
I kicked ur ass soo easily, and i will do it again as soon i see you.
Dont get offended, but u need some more train baby.

btw...combat steps were:
I made pa on you (now u are Lifebaned and seriously debuffed str/dex and u forgot to say taht with PA, i critical hit you for 220 more damage, maybe couse mop4?470+220), u slamed me, u missed timing to try first side positional style and straffed, then u fumbled, 3rd try hit on me, getting about 260 damage, i woke up from slam and i hit u with garrote (3rd weapon, now disease on you and 4th weapon with combat speed debuff poison, and more critical hits coming110+40) you were hitting slow, but now u hit each 3,5 secs or more, while i was hitting you each 1.6 secs with the slowest weapon i can use (legendary btw, you run low on spirit resis mate, redo better ur SCed armor) then i evaded ur slow next move, so u got a really nice dragonfang on ur bones 140, getting freezed, while lifebaned 64+64+64, and....what to say...harmstring complete chain(3*1.3 styles) + 2 poison tiks, enough to make u bit dust.

I really dont understand what you were trying with this post.
You fear infils? lol, get real, duel lueckeen for example, ns is a really better class than infil.

-Items with buff charges, potions/bottles/barrels, mp armor mp weapons, full tempalted, ability to play your class, this is all that you need.
Im a soloer class, if you are not familiarized with soling tactics, dont cry.
If each time i got killed in rvr by another "weaker" class i would post it on forum...

Btw, I'm Jaque, and this day i was rr4l8. Watch your back next time, couse now im rr5, and i will fight 16.5dps on you

There are no weak clases ranius, only weak players.

Alright, I could say so many words, but I don't wanna get a ban. ********************************************************************* don't call me a ****** baby. And what would YOU do almighty master? I don't have and I won't have RAs like purge or ip, cause I have det and mop/aug str. And there ARE weaker classes you're just too ***** **** to see them.

You're just used of killing everything. Why don't you check live, try kill hero with infi. Or any other private servers. You'll get your ass pwned. You think you're SO GOOD, I'M THE BEST, cause stealthers on uthgard can really pwn everything. Heavy tank is one of the easiest targets. I know that, have a stealther myself.

btw...I don't need more spirit resist. I got cap! 26%! You got 75% or something? Hero should be tough so it would look like he has 40% resist, but you had a feeling like I have less. THAT hard is hero. And you won't pwn me again, cause unbuffed I'm not going in agra.

I did get offended.


@dr_luecke
I do have a stealther, I can kill quite everything, but I have problems with killing SCed tanks. I'm not 50 tho.

(won't be able to reply for 1 week, on vacation.)

mhhhhhh

"Heavy tank is one of the easiest targets. I know that, have a stealther myself."

vs.

"I do have a stealther, I can kill quite everything, but I have problems with killing SCed tanks. I'm not 50 tho."

ontopic:
dont you think this discussion is kinda pointless? you got a group spec (det / other passives), are appearently not using charges and pots and complain about getting killed by a fully 1vs1 specced class (incl. buffpots/charges). same thing would happen if you fight a solo specced skald or any other class.

this is just a whining thread and should be closed

blue, nayru or someone plz close this soon

it all comes down to


solotoon vs grptoon in 1v1 and ofc the solo toons wins thats how logics work