To sum it up

Some people in albs dont like playing with people they dont like =/

Well Mid only has 1 healer, that being healer. If you call most shaman builds healers then I am sorry, I don't know of many heal based shams since Heal over Time was gimped, I have only run into cave/aug.

Also you may be right, hard to get stuff off of a cleric once someones hitting it, but in all honesty thats point of group, someone is suppose to make up for that flaw. When someone gets on a healer in my group you know what I do? Sprint on top of healer and smack my instant disease, then back up and try to root the guy to get him space even if hes gonna get hit in 2 seconds and break it.

I can heal but its too sporatic with the heal amount, it will never save someone who has any somewhat decent focus fire on them, shaman heal is more like "heal after battle". That is why I know, number one thing any group should do, protect thier healers.

Now what I usually see, is most people don't even care about the fact that they are in a group. Even in Mid, I have been in groups where the tanks just run out way ahead do thier own thing, then healer gets jumped by 2x stealther, no one arround so he dies.

If you have a decent group makup, you all stick together and watch your healers, then you shouldn't have much of a problem.

as much as you complain about clerics having no options of getting away of people... then plz tell me how a bard should get away from 1 sorc pet + 1 to 4109859185819058910 theurg pets?

theurg pets cant be mezzed, snared, rooted, or anything... only way to get rid of them is to kill them (which most grps dont have time for because they are trying to interrupt sorc + theurg)


honestly stop whining and learn to live with the realms you have...

only true unbalance i see atm is theurg pets but hey, its been like that on live for 5 years (and finaly now they do something about it)




learn your classes, tactics, and get used to it or reroll another realm up to you

yep but at the begining the subject was not at all that albs classes are stronger or not than the other realms...

i was talking about the fact that alb is missing good players and high RR players (but not stealthers ^^)

panachier wrote:yep but at the begining the subject was not at all that albs classes are stronger or not than the other realms...

i was talking about the fact that alb is missing good players and high RR players (but not stealthers ^^)

And what do we learn?
Try to organize some good groups, try to teach some noobs, support them and maybe also important to save alb RvR: maybe you should share some of your accounts with some real friends of yours... (I know its not supported by staff but you cant compare uthgard with live, where you could always find a missing class. As you can read in this topic it's not as easy to build an alb group as building a mid or hib group.)

edit: You can also help your friends to exp 3-4 chars up to lvl 50^^ and dont forget cap sc and the right RR... Have fun in albion

@girak yep it s what we do in french blade... they are even not all mates irl but if people are friendly we help each other... but we can't help all albion

as long as theurgs are so overpowered as they are i wont even consider feeling sorry for you

no theurg = we can kill albs fairly easy with a few good fights
1 theurg = becomes alot harder
2 theurgs = almost imposible

and yet.. we try

Stop saying theurgs are overpowered!


I play a bard in Hibernia and from what I have seen so far in Braemar, the only real one vs one opponent that could be a challenge is the theurgist.

I can interrupt and mezz all other caster/healer types + tanks.
Theurgists have an impressive range of action (summoning pets and sending them from farther than what my interrupt can reach), which allow them to interrupt me ( omg, interrupting an interrupter ).


As I can't mezz their pets, well, it's really a weakness for my bard. Every class has to have a weak side.

Theurgists (and rangers with their ranged attack and their sometimes imba attack speeds with bows) are the bard weak side. Lower the theurgist power and I'll be overpowered. :mrgreen:

That's my opinion.

lol i guess you havent tryed being pet spammed in thid

its like insta death to most classes.. and you must have a really good bard.. i cant really solo any class except maybe clerics?

Theurg is NOT imba if you know how to handle him (kill him first...yes the Theurg and not the sorc.Get some rupters on Sorc instead).Of course if Theurg is free to spam Pets he is your death, and of course Theurg is one of the most important Alb classes, but if you rupt/prime him hes dead as fast as any other caster class and he has less CC (Sorcs have root/Ichor/Mezz,Theurg has roots...).And as an addition, if you let other classes do their thing they can own you as well (i am just imagining some bombs killing of ATs and stuff).


Greetz,
Player of Islana

I should mention it's not full "one vs one", let's say it's a one vs one during a big fight.

The trick is, both for theurgist and bard, to neutralize as many ennemies as possible, but sometimes you end up having to neutralize the neutraliser. For the bard, it means mezzing the sorc, the theu, the cabalist... or similar mid classes.
And here you can have a face to face bard vs theu for instance.

That's the kind of one vs one I was talking about, sorry for the confusion.


PS: indeed, I haven't been able to test facing a theu in Thidankri

what i hear from people in thid (and see myself)
is ouch: earth pets hitting for 150+

imagine 5 pets in 10 secs cast time due to fully buffed and capped dex most of the times that means death :p

I read people saying all I can find is <spec> <toon>....spear hero....cave shammy....fire wiz.

I notice the same problem on Hib, and I doubt it is original to the realm. As a player base if they not only accepted that there is more then one way to spec a character, and that indeed...these other specs can be good this wouldn't be a problem.

As a player having come from many years on live the vast degree of tunnel vision experienced on this server blows my mind. People trying to group and level ( be it xp or rp/rr ) who are looking for a hero, but only want a spear hero.

If a character was designed to be one specific way they wouldn't offer several spec options. Until players ditched their narrow minded opinion of what a character is then this wont change for you.

As posted earlier, the problem is not the character....and I add, its not the realm. It is the player.

hmm, nice to hear some albs rule in thid....
and nice of you to forget emain and start using thid as an excuse to say albs are good...

original post jusr was abouth emain, balanced grp's of high rr players wiping all.. even leaching on low lvl players trying to get some xp...

we don't have high rr albs, we can't make perfect grp's, and if we can, they lack the rr stuff...

for allmost two years i'm trying to tell out players they need numbers to win, make a bg and run out with 10 or more players, but then you get the "perfect" guilds grps, like albions vengeance, laughing with us, and telling us they will stay in tele keep and wait for the death spam....

i hate this attitude, they think emain is theirs, and they hate others trying to have some fun and xp...

oh well, av died a silent dead, but if they would have helped us and give us some lessons in rvr, they would have found a lot of good players and albion would not have died the silent death it is doeing now....

one thing is very clear, a lot of new players start in albion, they never played daoc, so we help them as mutch as possible, they go braemar and have fun, they get ambitious and level up to wilton... wilton is booring and as good a dead, so, only option is to lvl up... they get into thid and things get more fun, so they want to get higher...
at lvl 47 they get kicked out of thid... and then... emptyness... emain: get killed as soon as you leave tk, cause hib or mid stealthrs camp tk... lvl in dart or lyo, booring and wayy to slow, go to df? same story as emain, high rr stealthers running around, looking for easy greens...

i have a guild and i had it for allmoqt 2 years...
people leave when they get 31, and people leave when they are allmost 50, or even 50 with low rr...
and they don't come back...

i woul realy like to see a graphic of the uth players...

let's say, the active lvl 50's, the lvl 50's that didn'l log for a month, and the 50's, that didn't log for 6 months,
and the same for lvl 40; lvl 30....

and make this for every realm

i bet albion gets the most players starting the gam, but i'm sure it has less active players left, compared to other realms...

just my.. oh you know what i mean

lol why do u blame av now ?

So evil av didnt want to zerg with the others? U said the answer :

i hate this attitude, they think emain is theirs, and they hate others trying to have some fun and xp...

have some FUN and zerg was definately not fun just unbalanced lag fights yay...

Another thing we never said we will wait for ur killspam ^^ maybe we logged other realms when there were about 20 albs in emain and no enemy.. but hey what do you want to do there then if u get all keeps? Run around and see the world ? ..

For me its like a fair soccer match between some friends try to be fair and and have a fair enemy who dont outnumber you..

And pls dont say Daoc is a Realm vs Realm WAR .. then i gonna answer i am pacifist so in real life I would never crush a head of a guy who`s only 1 meter height...

And some help came from our side .. we often took a new player in our grps but we said we want players who are lvl 50 and have a spelcrafted armor... and we only took people going with our setup, like missing dmg dealer , then we didnt take a sorc in gro (in melee grp ) then from my side i was sometimes a leader of the Dragon raids i often wrote posts about how to skill a char etc in Albion alliance forum ...

Dont know what u wanted but make a "16 slot grp" to get 8 man down is not my playstyle sorry.