i link myself into this discussion

one thing works livelike = running trough and hit positionals... works fine on live and here

one thing that NO-ONE uses on live cause it does NOT work is : you run trough a target (out of this supersmall radius), /face , slam, and ur target cant defend this hit cause /stick is to slow.
if you do this on live you get automatically "out-of-view" and you will hit for 100% an unstyled attack

and the 2nd one is not a live-like

And more reavers were born this day.

Magicco wrote:one thing works livelike = running trough and hit positionals... works fine on live and here

Okey, that's because of normal lag by the time needed for your client to send your position to the server and server to other client.. so if you learn "the right moment" to click you can do positionals styles doing that you said.

But, what about this? The attacker and defender are both static, so no movement lag involved ^^

Enjoy

Even though its bullshit its live like.
But well we have custom fix everywhere so fix it, with the lag etc it's definately easier than on live to land those positionals.

Thanks for the video post Caemma. I looked for something similar from live, but didnt find one.

The biggest issue for me isnt the fact that these positionals are being landed. It's how frequent they seem to be landing since the 1.113 push. Maybe it has nothing to do with it, but it seems like it became more commonplace about the same time as the upgrade push.

I hit Leviathan in front of people (at least it looked that way) when I was guarding someone and they'd run allowing me to Levi the person chasing them. A lot of the time it looked like I was hitting them with it but they showed up a bit behind me like that video shows.

this is not front leviathan.. i never be able to leviathan from front, i tried but you can't , you can leviathan if you are back to back with an enemy, i tested it and reported it to abydos looong time ago , when i foguht reaver with my ranger , i noticed that what ppl told me when i was on reaver , it's like he leviathan from front but on his screen he's on your back.i can't explain that but well , for have played a solo reaver for some times , i think i can tell that there is no abuse , or at least it's not on purpose

I wonder if this is linked to uthgard's code that was supposed to stop run throughs against casters. I remember it was causing parry/block/evade to be extended to the rear arc for some time, maybe back styles could be added to that list.

caemma this is livelike what you posted...

instead of making this vid you just hav to read what Rone wrote some posts before
pls read the links Rone posted...

there is a explanation..

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24559

Magicco wrote:This are the researches:

In a very small radius, u can get off a positional style no matter what directions ur are looking! You just have to stand in the correct angle. [...] This "caster fix" does NOT effect the melee mechanics! I dont like the results cause they dont make sense, but they are WORKING as INTENDED

this is livelike
i may upload those vids again on youpoop since megaupload is gone

im pretty confused, why ppl like Caemma's vid... i proofed already 1 1/2 years ago that it works fine ^^

Magicco wrote:

Magicco wrote:This are the researches:

In a very small radius, u can get off a positional style no matter what directions ur are looking! You just have to stand in the correct angle. [...] This "caster fix" does NOT effect the melee mechanics! I dont like the results cause they dont make sense, but they are WORKING as INTENDED

this is livelike
i may upload those vids again on youpoop since megaupload is gone

im pretty confused, why ppl like Caemma's vid... i proofed already 1 1/2 years ago that it works fine ^^

im pretty confused what "very small radious" mean ^^

This is far away from small radius. this is insanely broken lol
If you can do back & side styles from these position on live, can you upload videos again plx?

those melee mechanic many ppl here claim as "strafing" is sth different in my ears.
i call it "forcing", like i said
this radius is about 1/3 or less of the normal /stick radius. and in THIS radius you can do positionals no matter what direction you look... but your target can parry /evade /block 360°

running trough (static targets dont produce lag positions...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5rVIJKLBd0

doing the same what you "tested" on uth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTZCL_hcC34

Magicco wrote:doing the same what you "tested" on uth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTZCL_hcC34

I see, really sick, but sadly the dummy is not "humanoid" and seems you are really near the mob, so we cant determinate if maybe on live the radius is smaller than here, and that's why you dont see ppl doing these "tricks" to lands positionals all the times..

Anyway this thing suck ^^

i did this trick A LOT with my 2hpally against Warlocks at Netuni(South)

those ****** just /face you, but i ran trough and backstyle and followup-stunned em

I think we kind of got a little off track. I was posting Magicco's tests to show that I fully understand how the mechanics of how the "run threw" method worked and how you can perform positionals at odd angles. This still doesnt explain why I have been seeing so many levi's from in front of me with distance between us. As Magicco pointed out, you have to be within a certain radius of the player to be considered in that zone to be able to perform positionals. This is occuring out of that zone. I knew what that zone was, but lately its like that zone has been increased. I will say in the last few nights I havent seen it as much, but i've only fought 1 reaver in that time so not really a good litmus test.

Caemma, would you please next time create 2 trial accounts on live servers and make the video there before speculating about bugs.