I have a dream^^ and i would have like, if solos could play 1vs1 and groups 8vs(>3) and i've also no problem with guys, that like an absolutely 8vs8 gameplay. In the last time there were some days, where it working well and all players had maximal fun. Unfortunately, there are a __few__ players where it does not matter. While all major groups from Hibernia now ignore all solos or duos, rub most Midgard groups all over. Why? Say not "red is dead", this is an absolutely stupid answer...
Another problem are "solo"-players who manage alone nothing and therefore always take other stealther, attacks severed opponents directly after a fight or adds into fights. That suckz tremendous, especially after the latest nerfs (barrels). Is it necessary?
I think the Mids, today several times killing everything, have wondered when suddenly 10 stealthers and other solos adds into their fight and they killed. I think all this players that cannot play alone, have wondering about the massive quantity stealthers of hunting them today. Did you have fun? Will you always this? It's no problem?!
Now you know the feeling of a soloplayer whom you ganked together...

This was just a demonstration and my apology goes to all honorable players who fell today between the fronts ... Sorry (!) for the nasty evening ... Ahlric, Zackna, Crew, Equade, Ogmora (but you've add *fg*) and others...

Daoc is no solo game, grp up or live with the pain of beeing ganked. You can just be happy about everyone who plays "fair" but you cant complain about ppls who dont care, since thats the game design

1vs1 is possible ... it is a question of discipline^^

lol tell it to Hightnoobe

The Game is designed for RvR so we dont even need to discuss it. 1vs1 and 8vs8 are possible playstyles but reduce RvR activity cause LowLvl-Solos and Grps have no chance vs HighRR. SO the only way is mostly to do tasks or zerg until they get higher RR

In the old days after release it was Odins amg where solos meets another for duels (what is anyway forbidden on this server as i know ^^). Anyway its a bad idea to move Emain amg at prime time and hope to have nice 1vs1 duels without adding
Maybe 10% of the server have symphaty to 'fairplay' 1vs1, but another 90% dont care about it

Daene wrote:The Game is designed for RvR so we dont even need to discuss it. 1vs1 and 8vs8 are possible playstyles but reduce RvR activity cause LowLvl-Solos and Grps have no chance vs HighRR. SO the only way is mostly to do tasks or zerg until they get higher RR

This is just a pathetic excuse from bad players. Take it as you want, i saw a lot of low rr group that actually tried to do good fights instead of zerg, and killed high rr group with rr4-5 group. The excuse about high rr ppl start to be old, especially from players like you daene, that play uthgard since more time than me, and still only 6L1. Instead of try to put the fault on the high rr, try to do more rvr, and you will actually will have a high rr ^^. But i bet when u will get there, you will still only zerg, finding others excuses than the '' no chances vs higher rr ''

Orihiime wrote: especially from players like you daene, that play uthgard since more time than me, and still only 6L1. Instead of try to put the fault on the high rr, try to do more rvr, and you will actually will have a high rr ^^.

that's a little unfair...i'm on uth for almost 3 years now and the only thing i have is 2x RR5 (well 5L1 and 4L9) and a 4L3 cleric...took me almost 1.5 years to get arms to 50 and caba to 45something... (edit: forgot level 26 pala and that i got 2 leg crafters)

there's a lot of players like me, that really love that game but just don't have the time to play that often...i for example can mostly play in the early euro-hours like 6-7am, when hardly any1 is online...so i run solo and it's really hard as a solo-rr4 to kill anything at all...low-stealthers grp up usually (often seen rr4-5 hib-duos) and high rrs kill you with better RAs and being fully buffed...

however, i'd never give up playing "fair"...and while I don't complain about being zerged, all i wanna know is "why" usually , which the zergers usually can't answer

Orihiime wrote:try to do more rvr, and you will actually will have a high rr ^^

Not everyone has much time and can play every and day many hours
And my poisting was not about me, that i prefer to play in grps and dont like to run or exp solo, its another thing
I mean more Guilds like SL or Besorger, some months ago they was low RR and nearly inactive in RvR, and now they are one of activest guilds on Uthgard And many ppl have their fun even with lowRR instead of been wiped by rr10+ MB & Req grps ^^

And if you dont like RvR just move somewhere else and let emain for grps and zergs

I dont care if ppl zerg, i do zerg sometime, its just the excuse they use for zerg ^^ like '' we dont want die at rr10+ ''. Just face the truth and say : we are bad, we zerg, and dont try have other justification ^^

Hmmmm, kinda torn on this debate between Alanya and Daene. I tend to cide with Alanya in that low RR's can compete just fine if they are well played and well templated (template less importent in group vs solo). However, I will agree with Daene in that alot of people just dont have the time/skill/dedication to truly go threw that grind of learning your toon POST Thid and make a probably even bigger grind to get all the things you need to succeed, at least for a solo toon.

My hunter has killed MANY high RR players in the last couple of weeks. He's almot 4L6 and killed a RR11+ ranger in a straight up 1 vs 1 fight. Now I will 100% admit that this is because I have a very expensive template, run w/ tons of potions/charges, and I have a general idea of how to play the class pretty well, but these are things that are needed to have success in this game. The problem is alot of people use the RR difference as an excuse like Alanya said. It's not that they cannot compete, it is that alot of people perfer taking the easy road rather then the more difficult.

I will say that alot of these high RR players could help their own cause a bit by being more proactive and helping these lower RR's out. I give out all the advice I can on characters that I know something about. When I'm on a toon that is way higher RR and way higher skill level then another and I've killed him 2 or 3 times in a row I will go easier in the fights to encourage them to come back out and keep trying. Maybe group alot more lower RR players in your set groups and not just yell at them for doing things wrong, but rather explain what to do and why. Next time your bored show a lower RR guy how to run an efficient Taj2 raid or do a particular PvE encounter. Yah, maybe you make a few less plat now on your items, but isnt that worth getting more people out in RvR? The high RR (elite) vs low RR (casual) issues occur in more then just RvR and I think if the people who are more hard core in this game helped out the casual players alot more you might see a bit more respect between the two.

Orihiime wrote:I dont care if ppl zerg, i do zerg sometime, its just the excuse they use for zerg ^^ like '' we dont want die at rr10+ ''. Just face the truth and say : we are bad, we zerg, and dont try have other justification ^^

Sorry but thats crap Not all solo 1vs1 players are skilled 'pros' and not all grp players are n00bs like you tell ^^

From your point of wiev we all should run solo and do 1vs1 duels all the day long ^^ if we dont do it we are all gimps and just you are a good honorable well skilled player

Daene wrote:

Orihiime wrote:I dont care if ppl zerg, i do zerg sometime, its just the excuse they use for zerg ^^ like '' we dont want die at rr10+ ''. Just face the truth and say : we are bad, we zerg, and dont try have other justification ^^

Sorry but thats crap Not all solo 1vs1 players are skilled 'pros' and not all grp players are n00bs like you tell ^^

From your point of wiev we all should run solo and do 1vs1 duels all the day long ^^ if we dont do it we are all gimps and just you are a good honorable well skilled player

sorry, but i dont do only 1v1 i got plenty of char rr6+, one rr9, its not because my sb is rr11 that i do only solo rvr ^^

I must say: Going the first time to AMG playing my stealther for like 3 month, it was only pain in the ..., frustrating and making you want to quit playing DAOC.
I will try to tell you why, and I guess it's exactly what this topic is all about. But first:
I really don't care about people making a good 1 on 1 and I think they should be able to get this, but why prime time AMG, why make the rest of the community play THEIR game? Move out to a Milegate in hadrians or Odins, and everybody will know the jumping Troll is "to be attacked only by solo pro gamers". But this is NOT possible for casuals with no RR7+

As for what ****** me off: First as a Hib stealther you take double the time to get to where the action takes place and often even get farmed by 2-3 ppl on the horseroutes. This is the first disadvantage, but when you are eager for some RP you just taeke your time. Then, reaching AMG you see a troll and breton standing next to each other and doing nothing. Quick view at herald: Not my prey, too high RR, so you wait. Nothing ales coming in...... you get nervous and suddenly a fellow Hib attacks the troll. Great. you wait till he looses (I even WAITED!!!!) and after that yo feel free to engage the Troll. Then it happens: 2 Albs pop up, kill you and vanish again NOT hurting the troll at all. Hmmm, funny but definately not wanted, but okay, next 20 min to get back again.

Next time: Waiting again, nothing happening, suddenly a solo Hib bard, as may be known not THE BEST solo class, is attacked by a alb stealther. This is my time Ib think, move in and BOOM help my mate. bad idea, suddenly a norse pops up, kills me, lets the alb kill the bard and they bow to each other and vanish.

Next time: I learned, I move further then AMG, near ATK and there is no problems I hope, a Breton comes next to me, here is my fight.....: 1 on 1, as everyone seems to want it, I attack: 3 other Bretons pop up and engage me. dead again.

3 fights and always self proclaimed Bull***
Guys, this is really RIDICULOUS. This has nothing to do with beeing unfair, but it just spoils the game. As I told in my opener: IF this is wanted, then make a list of rules what to do and not to do on AMG and put it here, but this "unwritten laws" and allliances make it nearly impossible for a casual low RR stealther to get a fight or RP (and keep missions are not mor the way since hasteners got removed).
Just to speak for myself, I will keep my long time leveled and full sc'd nightshade for good and let it rot. Playing in this circumstances is almost impossible. I really understand WHY the people do this, but please give the chace to team up, and and just play normal for the other players. Meet at Glacier Giant and make your special core rules, but not at AMG.

keep on reporting and hope gms will someday ban some of those rp farming amg-m.orons

Goldbeere wrote:I must say:....

Goldbeere, I agre with alot of what you said. I too have had much of what you said happen to me. It does suck when you sit and wait and wait and wait, and when you finally make a move suddenly all these people pop out of nowhere, kill you, and leave the person you were fighting alive.

I felt the same way about the travel time on Hib as you did Gold. I've been playing on Midgard for the last month or so and now I actually wished I could use the Hib travel system as opposed to the Mid. Going to AMG from MTK has potential to be much faster, but I would say 1/2 the time you will either run into sombody camping MTK, MMG, or in between MMG and AMG. Because of this alot of times I will just stealth from MTK all the way to AMG. This actually takes a bit longer then it did for my ranger to get back to AMG. I'm not saying that Hib's should be happy w/ their long run back to AMG, but its really not much better for Alb or Mid. Mid has a long run as well that is tough to get threw while visi and Alb has a very tough time if you are a solo just to get past AMG.

As far as the "rules" go their is no rules. Usually when you see what you talked about the unspoken rules are, dont add, and dont kill a guy right after a fight. I'm not saying these are right/wrong, I'm just stating what they kinda are. The problem with unspoken rules is they are not rules and sometimes dont follow any logical reason. I have seen what you are talking about and tried to fight a guy straight up that was at full life and when I popped I had 2 people from another realm kill me and not even touch the other guy. It happens. As far as going to another zone is concerned, this has been tried MANY times and it always ends up failing. Some people will say, "Hey, all solo's head to Odins gate.." This will happen for a few days, then all it takes is one slow night for the 8 mans or the small mans to see some deathspam in Odins then they come running and kill all solo's in sight.