Well i think for ppl like TImion, 200 rps for task is still more than enough for stop

ZaiQQ wrote:

Ichi wrote:I doubt you "have to" chase people who do them. That being said, the way the current task system works isn't great. As stated before, keep take tasks or something like "Kill x guards at keep y" would be a lot better as far as creating action goes. It is hard enough to find someone in these big maps along with low population, so it would be nice if such tasks would work only if you stay near a certain keep.

And yes, you really do have to chase them down to find them, they don't want to be found, they don't want to rvr, they don't plan on coming back knowing that there is action.

I may have misunderstood your remark in your original post about having to chase them down. I meant it as in: You could just leave them be and not go after them in the first place. If you do go after them, then you are right of course. The "kill 20 guards" task combined with the long respawn time sadly encourages people to roam from keep to keep making it unnecessarily hard to catch them.

I like the change overall. I don't think anyone will see a negligible swing in rvr population from it though. The one constant that is missing from rvr population is ...... population. Until that improves/returns or map size is decreased, people are going to have the same complaints/issues.

Celteen wrote:And you need rr5l5-6 to compete in emain, especially if you don't RvR a lot.

From my own experience, 4L2 is enough.
I'm in emain since 4L2, only playing in random group.
Sometimes my group has success in a 8v8, sometimes not.
Sometimes we add, sometimes we don't
Sometimes we zerg solo / small men, sometimes not.
But always, it is RvR, it gaves us some rp, and i get fun in RvR without being an high rank or ubah skilled player. RvR is open to every player who really wants to.
I guess it's different for people who want to solo, but i do a big call to the low rank : come to RvR ! Come on and play ! It's fun, sometimes

RonELuvv wrote:I havent been on in the last week, but when I was on the few weeks prior to that I seen a 8 man Alb group that would do EVERYTHING IN ITS POWER to avoid any sort of fights and just task. On top of that they didnt even deal with opening doors. Instead they took Jackpot (8L6 inf) with them and they would park BEHIND the keep so people wouldnt see them and they would pull all the gaurds quickly, kill them, then move on to another keep. People can say whatever BS they want, I seen this group EVERY NIGHT for weeks on end do nothing but avoid any sort of fight to do nothing more then task.

The detail you conveniently left out is that EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER to avoid a fight is not good enough. No matter how sneaky Dark Auspices wants to be about it, they simply cannot kill guards at any keep with 2 or more players without giving away their position on herald. So framing this scenario as some sort of problem for server rvr is sheer fiction, because any group that wants to inc them can do so quite easily by just watching the herald. There is no more "chase" involved in finding a tasker group than there is in finding a group running mindless circles in emain.

In regards to several previous posts. If you refuse to do your homework on a situation, your argument is null and void. Your say count as much as a second grader.

In regards to my group specifically, I challenge all of you to run for one week in emain with one cleric and no primary CCer, pre50's, an stealther, and some untemplated. If you find success against a full formed non-pug 3 healers primary CCer groups, then we can discuss this matter on a more equal footing.

In regards to avoid fights, I defy you to tell me a group with one healer and no primary CC will beat a finely tuned group with multiple healers.

In regards to hiding, our location is broadcasted at every keep as Sturlek points out. Either from it being claimed or someone watching Herald. It is easier to find us then it is to find someone in Emain. Anyone hunting us has built in radar that we provide for them. The issue of you leaving emain to find us to utilize one of the other twelve RvR zones is just laziness on your part, not my fault.

In regards to tasks now being nerfed, it's painfully obvious to me that whomever complains the loudest about something not to their liking gets what they wish. Allow me to indulge you, this move is ridiculous as it is unthought out. There is a very low population during EST, too low to support RvR. Taking away something that can only help the gankers find people quicker will ruin their fun. Nowhere is it written that RvR must be confined to Emain. Perhaps at a future date you will understand the folly it is to take away rewards from players that wish to go out and earn it. Despite what you believe, killing guards is time consuming and the rewards for it *were* just. The option is open to everyone, anyone can participate and the options was open to anyone to find us. If it is a pain to utilize other zones, then perhaps we need to increase speed to speed 10, for your convenience.

In regards as to why I do it, I'd much rather be with friends than in Emain yelling at them for why we lost. It is a much more enjoyable experience to kill guards, make some progress and have decent company, then everyone in the guild trying to tell others how to play.

In regards to why you find this necessary. It eludes me, and the only thing I can surmise from what you say is, you're upset that someone found away to gain realm points that didn't involve fighting you. We've killed each other before, and I personally wonder if all of this rancor from your end stems from us beating you in fair fights because we manufactured our realm ranks. Perhaps we just enjoy a steady diet of doing things opposed to mowing Emains lawn waiting for you to assemble, then regroup if and when a death happens. One fight every 15 minutes to reset actives doesn't sound appealing.

Shinano wrote:In regards to several previous posts. If you refuse to do your homework on a situation, your argument is null and void. Your say count as much as a second grader.

In regards to my group specifically, I challenge all of you to run for one week in emain with one cleric and no primary CCer, pre50's, an stealther, and some untemplated. If you find success against a full formed non-pug 3 healers primary CCer groups, then we can discuss this matter on a more equal footing.

In regards to avoid fights, I defy you to tell me a group with one healer and no primary CC will beat a finely tuned group with multiple healers.

In regards to hiding, our location is broadcasted at every keep as Sturlek points out. Either from it being claimed or someone watching Herald. It is easier to find us then it is to find someone in Emain. Anyone hunting us has built in radar that we provide for them. The issue of you leaving emain to find us to utilize one of the other twelve RvR zones is just laziness on your part, not my fault.

In regards to tasks now being nerfed, it's painfully obvious to me that whomever complains the loudest about something not to their liking gets what they wish. Allow me to indulge you, this move is ridiculous as it is unthought out. There is a very low population during EST, too low to support RvR. Taking away something that can only help the gankers find people quicker will ruin their fun. Nowhere is it written that RvR must be confined to Emain. Perhaps at a future date you will understand the folly it is to take away rewards from players that wish to go out and earn it. Despite what you believe, killing guards is time consuming and the rewards for it *were* just. The option is open to everyone, anyone can participate and the options was open to anyone to find us. If it is a pain to utilize other zones, then perhaps we need to increase speed to speed 10, for your convenience.

In regards as to why I do it, I'd much rather be with friends than in Emain yelling at them for why we lost. It is a much more enjoyable experience to kill guards, make some progress and have decent company, then everyone in the guild trying to tell others how to play.

In regards to why you find this necessary. It eludes me, and the only thing I can surmise from what you say is, you're upset that someone found away to gain realm points that didn't involve fighting you. We've killed each other before, and I personally wonder if all of this rancor from your end stems from us beating you in fair fights because we manufactured our realm ranks. Perhaps we just enjoy a steady diet of doing things opposed to mowing Emains lawn waiting for you to assemble, then regroup if and when a death happens. One fight every 15 minutes to reset actives doesn't sound appealing.

You can kill players wherever, however you want. But killing 20 guards shouldn't reward you any realmpoints at all.

Shinano wrote:Taking away something that can only help the gankers find people quicker will ruin their fun. Nowhere is it written that RvR must be confined to Emain. Perhaps at a future date you will understand the folly it is to take away rewards from players that wish to go out and earn it.

Well the rps, or '' reward' like you call it should be earned by killing others players, not by killing a guard that give no challenge at all. Also, no one said the rvr should be confined in emain, but the guard tasking shouldnt be confined in a zone where you know ppl wont come fight you. If you want go out and earn your '' rewards '', go fight reals ppl, not a guard. The reward for guard task is still to high, because its pve and it should give you as rewards only gold, not ur 200 rps after rr8+

Hey Sturleck, you shouldnt have to stare at the Herald all night to figure out where a fg of Albs are just so you can chase them from realm to realm as they desperately try to get another task in. It is one thing for a group of low RR's or true pug's to go do some tasks when there is not enough action or the action is to heavy for your current group set up. It is a WHOLE OTHER situation when you have 9L+ toons grouping up to task all night when there is plenty of other action to be had. I tasked, and I'm not judging those that do, but dont tell me that they have zero chance in a fight when they dont even try.

@ Shinano- I like you Shinano. I fought you on your Armsmen many times on my ranger. You used to come out and actually fight people. In the last few months your guild has been pathetic. Yes, PATHETIC. You are 9L0 man!! For gods sake, put the tasking down and step up to actually fight. Here is what you guys do:

1) form a group with 1/2 of what would be a great set up with decent RR players, then pick up a bunch of classes that dont go with that and some low RR's.

2) find a realm with alot of unclaimed keeps.

3) take the most backwards route you can to avoid seeing even the slightest amount of ACTUAL RvR.

4) group gets bored in emain, cant find anyone to kill, looks at herald, finds you guys, ports, chases you down, and whips u.

5) you then regroup, go to a differeent realm, the group that killed you now has to port to a different realm and chase you down again.

6) you log.

I got some suggestions for you. Maybe drop the Inf and pick up an actual group class. You run w/ at least 1 cleric and almost always have Ukko with you. So you have access to two healer types so dont give me that "We dont have enough supports to compete..." BS. I have no clue what you think actually happens in RvR, but at American prime time, when you do these tasks, nobody else has perfect set ups either. The last time I ran with a fg we had 2 rangers, 1 druid, 1 warden, 1 bard, 2 bm's, and a VW'r. Yah, thats a premium set up allright.... Get over it. Your lil run at being able to get to high RR by doing nothing but PvE and avoiding any actual RvR has caught up. Maybe, as Zai pointed out, if you had actually played your toons in RvR you might actually know what to do with them rather then getting rolled 8 vs 4 because all of your toons have never actually fought anyone.

Shinano wrote:In regards to several previous posts. If you refuse to do your homework on a situation, your argument is null and void. Your say count as much as a second grader.

LOL, some homework? You mean like seeing you guys every night for weeks on end avoid everything in sight?

Shinano wrote:In regards to my group specifically, I challenge all of you to run for one week in emain with one cleric and no primary CCer, pre50's, an stealther, and some untemplated. If you find success against a full formed non-pug 3 healers primary CCer groups, then we can discuss this matter on a more equal footing.

As I said above, our group set up was 2 rangers, 1 druid, 1 bard, 1 warden, 1 vw'r, and 2 bm's and we did just fine. When the other groups started changing there set ups and we got rolled we switched around till we had some sucess. Why are you running w/ non 50's, stealthers, and untemplated toons? Maybe stop doing that, duh.

Shinano wrote:In regards to avoid fights, I defy you to tell me a group with one healer and no primary CC will beat a finely tuned group with multiple healers.

I just did above ^^

Shinano wrote:In regards to hiding, our location is broadcasted at every keep as Sturlek points out. Either from it being claimed or someone watching Herald. It is easier to find us then it is to find someone in Emain. Anyone hunting us has built in radar that we provide for them. The issue of you leaving emain to find us to utilize one of the other twelve RvR zones is just laziness on your part, not my fault.

This is not the case. The problem is YOU guys avoid EVERYONE at all costs. You actually dont use rams to open the doors so u are not at keeps long enough for people to catch you. You farm behind the keeps so if most groups come up they dont even see you. These are what I'm talking about. You guys go out of your way to avoid action. Not to mention nobody wants to run all over all 3 realms to find one group that after you kill them twice (because they run a dumba$$ setup) just logs.

Shinano wrote:In regards to tasks now being nerfed, it's painfully obvious to me that whomever complains the loudest about something not to their liking gets what they wish. Allow me to indulge you, this move is ridiculous as it is unthought out. There is a very low population during EST, too low to support RvR. Taking away something that can only help the gankers find people quicker will ruin their fun. Nowhere is it written that RvR must be confined to Emain.

Hahahahaha, if you what you said is true then ranger and viper 3 would have been nerf'd years ago. Also, do you know why their is a low population out for RvR duing American Prime time? Because fg's of people would rather go task then come out and provide enemies to fight. In the last month I played we would have anywhere from a small man to a fg of Hibs and Mids out, but no Albs. Why? Because the Albs find it easier to task away. Come out and the population will increase.

Shinano wrote:In regards as to why I do it, I'd much rather be with friends than in Emain yelling at them for why we lost. It is a much more enjoyable experience to kill guards, make some progress and have decent company, then everyone in the guild trying to tell others how to play.

If what you said is true, then you can keep doing it and even get RR's while doing it. It is just going to take alot longer now.

Shinano wrote:In regards to why you find this necessary. It eludes me, and the only thing I can surmise from what you say is, you're upset that someone found away to gain realm points that didn't involve fighting you. We've killed each other before, and I personally wonder if all of this rancor from your end stems from us beating you in fair fights because we manufactured our realm ranks. Perhaps we just enjoy a steady diet of doing things opposed to mowing Emains lawn waiting for you to assemble, then regroup if and when a death happens. One fight every 15 minutes to reset actives doesn't sound appealing.

Perhaps the reason why is that the biggest complaint in 2.5 years of me playing here has been the RvR population during American times. By making people actually do RvR it will help this out. Yes, there will be a bunch of crybabies like you at RR9 that cant task anymore, boo hoo. However, others will actually task to gain enough RR's to actually come out and play end game RvR.

Remember, this is from a guy who also tasked alot and enjoyed tasks. The difference is I tasked because there was either not ANY action or because I was trying to gain RR's that would allow me to compete. You guys just task because that is all you know how to do....

The reduction to Task RP's is not going to fix the emain population problem.

US Prime time Emain is dead, this server population is heavy on the euro side, with most events happening during their prime time. More changes like this just continues to kill your US population.

Dont you guys find it funny that the only people QQ'ing about this are Sturleck and the Albs that abuse this? That should tell you all something about why they feel the way they do.

Nobody is saying you cant task anymore. You still can. Its just now you will get rewarded properly for doing it. Also Property, at your RR you will still get a decent amount of rp's for tasking. Its Shinano and Ukko and the other high RR toons you guys go with that will be receiving reduced rewards.

Property wrote:The reduction to Task RP's is not going to fix the emain population problem.

US Prime time Emain is dead, this server population is heavy on the euro side, with most events happening during their prime time. More changes like this just continues to kill your US population.

It's dead because people rather solo or cry that there are better people out then themself. (or go tasking) Just needs some iniative from the more active american players to keep building groups, to keep coming out, maybe it will suck for you one night, maybe next night it will suck for them, but action is sustained if people actually try, and do keep coming out. Join irc, say you're still out, ask them to drop a player or two to get even numbers if 2 left and you cant find reps, everyone else is in the same boat and just wants to fight players. I've had pretty good inc during us hours, and im even euro. But the general US skill on uthgard now is just laughable, half of them are clickers and even lacks the basic understandment of daoc efficiency, because they dont rvr.

clicking is fine as long as you task, but if you face someone who doesn't click, he's probably gonna be doing more actions per minute, and doing those actions faster. It's more or less impossible to play daoc flawless, you always have the choice of doing this or that, and the windows occour at the same time. So start rvring! Play with your friends if you don't wanna get yelled at, if someone is more knowledgeable then you, take some in and improve. Playing with friends is like the best thing to evolve, then you can sustain the group easier, and you don't have to look for new people 24/7 who plays in a total different direction then the previous guy.

Property wrote:The reduction to Task RP's is not going to fix the emain population problem.

US Prime time Emain is dead, this server population is heavy on the euro side, with most events happening during their prime time. More changes like this just continues to kill your US population.

+1

I' agree completely with this statement. I appreciate the attempt being made here, but until population changes, theres not a lot that can be done. I dont think this change is going to sway rvr population noticeably in any way.

Mee wrote:

Property wrote:The reduction to Task RP's is not going to fix the emain population problem.

US Prime time Emain is dead, this server population is heavy on the euro side, with most events happening during their prime time. More changes like this just continues to kill your US population.

+1

I' agree completely with this statement. I appreciate the attempt being made here, but until population changes, theres not a lot that can be done. I dont think this change is going to sway rvr population noticeably in any way.

Task or no task, its your own responsibility as a US player to continue doing rvr, even if it might suck sometimes. Someone has to be the first man out. Two groups don't just build a fg at the same time, if there wasn't anything out.

And playing a ranger is for sure not part of the solution, more the problem.