Koleriker wrote:Just to be clear.. if we run with 8 ppl and have (what we call) a fair fight against an other grp of 8 and we get some adders, what can we do if we do not want to kill the first 8 with help of these other guys ? If we leave the fight we get sends like "I frapsed that, you will get banned!!!!" and if we ask them to stop destroying our fun we get also banned?? are we supposed to zerg the enemy grp even if we do not have fun just to do not risk a ban?...

read the whole thread again and answer your question for yourself... i say "Read before writing nonsene!" as an order and not a request, even if i risk a 4 hour forum ban

Koleriker wrote:Just to be clear.. if we run with 8 ppl and have (what we call) a fair fight against an other grp of 8 and we get some adders, what can we do if we do not want to kill the first 8 with help of these other guys ? If we leave the fight we get sends like "I frapsed that, you will get banned!!!!" and if we ask them to stop destroying our fun we get also banned?? are we supposed to zerg the enemy grp even if we do not have fun just to do not risk a ban?...

No.. u can still pull out of the fight and let the adders be killed by your enemys, as you are not enforcing any playstyle to them. If i see it correct also those adders could get a ban if they then would insult/spam the 8man for not zerging/not helping them. As it was their decision to engage the fight and therefor the only responsibility for what happens during that fight is on them.

Basically i think this is just another senseless try to increase RvR population without actively doing sth for it. If there would be a healthy RvR population, which 1 year ago still could have been achieved with simple adjustments of the Zone/Timesinks then all those community stuff would be secondary as everyone would be provided with the gameplay he likes to choose. Now it is simply a fact that it happens regulary that you waste lots of hours if people don't respect the way you are playing. And therefor more and more people get upset. No matter if its Solo/Smallman/Red=Dead/8v8/Zerg/Add whatever... all this is healthy and part of the game IF there would be a solid RvR population.

For me it look like that change for me nearly nothing and I don't understand why you complain about it.
I guess, it just make clear, that every player can be sure that he can fight an enemy.
I don't think I will get bannend if I ASK the other group after the fight if it would be possible to not helping me the next fight.

For me that worked till now pretty good, I asked Blutrausch for example, that I don't care if they add or not but would cool if they leave us the fights again reqiuem and I guess that was pretty ok for everyone.

I think that news should only prevent player to get msg like this:" Yuo [ Bunny and so on ] gimp, Stop [ Bunny and so on ] adding us."

Greetz Luydor

Luydor wrote:I asked Blutrausch for example, that I don't care if they add or not but would cool if they leave us the fights again reqiuem and I guess that was pretty ok for everyone.

I think that news should only prevent player to get msg like this:" Yuo [ Bunny and so on ] gimp, Stop [ Bunny and so on ] adding us."

You're wrong, telling the same thing in a polite way like "Don't add please" is not allowed anymore.

Blue wrote:

vangonaj wrote:If i say "dond add pls" - polite form- Ill be banned?

Trying to stop others from fighting realm enemies can be banned, yes. If you do it politely it will be ok UNTIL you get reported.

I suppose that "ok UNTIL you get reported" means that it is forbidden and bannable.

I know those "rules" just try to encourage casual players to join RvR. I don't have a big problem with this.

So as I read it is banable to break mezzed enemies repeatly with purpose because it doesn't help your own realm. It helps instead your enemy. This is a different thing because you mainly adress offensive communication which tries to prevent people from RvRing.

Blue wrote:[...]
Another point I make clear here is that intentionally breaking mezz repeatedly to support the enemy can be penalized with a timed ban too. The realm is there to work together against the enemy, not against own realm mates.

I want a clear message on the topic "pulling out of fights". Because it can be seen as "supporting fair-play" AND "supporting the enemy" since you often let your realmmates getting zerged.

really nice new rules, however i have 2 questions:

1. may we say things like "it would be nice, if you dont add - its a good and fair fight"...no offense etc. meant, just a polite question...not even any real demand or something...its as if i would have said "hello friend, why dont u take a rest - this fight is too hard for u anyway"...just a little more clear

2. sometime back when i played in the early hours (euro time) there were like always the same ppl in BGs...so after 5 or 6 fights, which were very close and so on i sometimes logged to the other realm, just to say thanks for the nice fights...according to the new rules, that is forbidden also...i understand the general idea and its surely hard to draw the line between allowed and not allowed, but in case some1 only says "thank you for the nice fights" or something: would this still be bannable?

thanks

like others have mentioned, there are two issues to consider.

1) your treatment of others
- imposing your play style on others is not allowed
- Insulting or flaming is not allowed
- stopping others from RVR is not allowed

2) How you choose to play your toon
- Can you decide to leave your realm mates to get slaughtered?
- Can you decide to not res your realm?
- Can you decide to only do 8v8/Smallman/Solo combat?

Issue one is easy to see, but issue two can be quite contentious.

If i wanted to run in a duo, being constantly rolled by FG's could be construed as them forcing their play style on me, as i need to FG to compete.

If a group adds my combat, I am well within my rights to pull out of the fight and leave them to it. However, am i imposing my play style on them and punishing my realm mates or am I having their play style imposed on me?

Does leaving a person to get killed because it suits my play style work out to be cross realm cooperation because i'm allowing the enemy to win?

I think we should not just jump at the first easy solution to this. Yes make a 4 hour ban for insults or flaming, but leave the other open to majority rule. Sometimes i like to have no adds or sometimes i don't mind adds. It depends on the number of inc there is.

you can't set this in stone so easily.

@Jezzmin

If that other player feels annoyed that you xrealmed and reports you, well you knew it. You can still bow to your enemy to show your respect to him or just come back to the field instead wasting your time to log into other realms to make comments. Im sure in most cases you won't be reported but if you encounter a xrealm hater you will run out of luck.

Seriously guys...

I read the whole thing now and the only known Fair-player that used his brain in this thread was Bloodwyne..

Is it really that hard?

For everybody:

1.) Insult

I think this should be the main goal of the new rule. If you ask in a sorted manner there is no problem.
If you come with "Omg stupid noob, leanr to play and stop adding, f*cking noob" then this is insulting because of gameplay.
I really can't see what's so bad about that, takes out a lot of rage.

2.) Gameplay

How does it change your gameplay?
NOT A SINGLE BIT
Adders gonna add, non adders gonna on-add, Requiem and Rare and all those grps can still pull out etc.
The only ones getting in trouble are the ones that help the ENEMY grp to destroy the group of YOUR realm. And this is a quiet good decision! Respect is one thing, disrespect your realm is a whole other topic..

3.) RvR population

In my OWN opinion this won't change that much.
But I can see the idea behind it. Many many players stop RvR because the high council of Elitists "forbid" others their gameplay. Well Requiem and Rare (at least Bloodwyne) are polite and there's no problem with their playstyle, but several people flame incredible hard on everybody who doesn't fit in their way of playing. So those people can RvR now without being insulted as a "noob add gay idiot" or sth like that.


All in all I can just say: RvR is a matter of community, not the circumstances around. And Uthgard can be played well in RvR, the bugs are not that hard (for some classes maybe, but there IS RvR). When the community is bulls*it, the RvR can't exist. And sorry to say that: THe RvR-community is very often bulls*it here

Definitley a step in the right direction.

Greez

PS: If anyone still has no clue about the new rules: use your brain buddy

Finalement wrote:PS: If anyone still has no clue about the new rules: use your brain buddy

The new rule is clear and you don't have to use your brain to apply or understand it.
You are not authorized to expose your point of view if you don't approve a senseless zerg (like 3 fg killing the duo u were fighting against), even in the most polite form.
What is the most schoking is that the author of this rule believe that all new player want to zerg in a no brain way.

On live, in the past, I played with 2-3fg to have "realm" action, but we never killed solo or small men group, neither we engage low RR group who were on the road to Agramon, where 8v8 took place (on my server).

Maybe one times, in the future, staff will understand that zerg and 8v8 can be done on the same server, without forbidding anything other than flame and insult.

HulkGris, I'm quite certain you fully understood whats the intent behind that new rule. I also don't see that the rule change implies any play style like you try to suggest. The given examples just happened to be the most used ones which even led to discussions in forums in the past. It would also be not ok to tell a FG to p*** off and get out of Emain. Any attempt to discourage players to kill realm enemies by insulting or bullying them will be penalized. Its not hard to understand but you seem to make a huge problem out of it.

If a player feels annoyed by someone trying him to force into a certain play style he is free to report that. If not then he will propably be of your opinion and understands it and leave it by that, but players who feel mistreated can report it. Understand that the staff will not actively monitor players but solely act on reports from players who feel treated the wrong way. If you are a "fair" player and respect all play styles then you will have no problems with that rule. You just shouldn't try to force other players to play "your" game, they could get annoyed by that.

So lets say I am on my ranger and I got some other stealther adding on my fights and I /send <theranger>

"Hey man I appricate the help, but could you please allow me to fight 1v1, and if die your more then welcome to finish him off. Really trying to get the solo title."

<the ranger> was annoyed with this message and thought it was rude and felt I was forcing my playstyle on him. He decides to report this.

Do i get banned for 4 hours? becuase Blue and Creul both gave different answers for this. And on the example above I was just expressing that I would appricate that I can fight solo. Now I cant make him/her honor that.

On something like this I would a concret asnwer on is it OK? Like if the example above was used in the game, Would I be punished for stating my preferrence of play style in a non hostile message.

We will see how this works out. Your message is not hostile against your realm mate so I doubt it would lead to a straight ban. But if he rejects your idea you should not react upset, this is important. Many players will propably accept it this way but don't try to dictate or insult them if they are not of your opinion.

Thanks blue for the fast response, me and alot of my friends do have stealthers and prefer to play 1v1. And understand and support not flaming players or insulting them for how they want to play.

When I have asked players of my own realm most of them are really cool about it, and will respect it and not add on fights. Some will just respond by saying "If its red its dead and I add on all fights" Which is fine since I cant stop them and their is no need to further respond since it will more then likly lead to a disagreement of some kind.

However I think its pretty good, and can help create a more friendly community that can encourge more new players into emain.

This also brings me up to 2nd possible problem. Lets say I am leading a dragon raid, or it can be any raid, or any RvR group. And there is a player that I feel is not playing very well, or is just not listening or i just dont like how he looks. Do I no longer have the right to remove him and replace him with some one else? Becuase he can claim he felt insulted that he got removed or what not. I feel in this kind of example that it strips away mine and other raid leaders ability to manage the raid how they see fit.

I am not critizing the new polcies but..... They are very vauge and I am just asking for better clearfication for my self and possibly others who are very similar questions.

Thanks:)

We don't handle group chats. This was stated. In a group you as leader decide who plays with you and who shouldn't. Please see as reference which channels were mentioned for timed bans. Also the new rule doesn't affect PvE.