i for myself just can say that i was in holiday for exactly 2 weeks i had as semesterbreak i don't know how representative i am for the rest of the uthgard community but i can say from my experience that uthgard allways had a cyclus and it never was the prime rvr time around x-mas. And just as a thought i want to add uthgard population grows older and maybe habits change than.

uthgards rvr is more crowded than ever since of release the last week in my oppinon. Although i did not play from tuesday-thursday. but everytime i played there was a lot of inc, even small zergs (2-3 grps).

I don't know how often I yet told it, but as it belongs to this thread:
It 's not about "telling someone how to RvR". It 's about the disrespectful influence people take into RvR. This game is quite more complex than CS or others, where you can just roam around to shoot whatever you find. On DAoC there is a lot of stuff you need to handle to win a fair fight. This is the complexity of the game, which makes the game interesting and defines the skill. I don't know how people who just farm their RP get their fun of, but if you have fun farming, there are a lot of mobs in each zone to farm. You can farm all day long, you can use any of your spells and styles on mobs as well and noone will ever flame you to kill a mob, if it is not already engaged or camped.

RP are just points like exp are. This is not Pokémon, where the goal is defined by "gotta catch 'em all". Facing fair fights is not "elite", like most kiddies like to call it because they think they can win their verabl duel by provocation, it is the simple goal of the game: to be better than your opponent. Make a better fight, show the better gameplay. The reward of some RP by this is not making you a better player, it just pushes the strenght of a character. I personally don't need high RR: I never wanted any attention by being namecalled because of high RR, I didn't want any of my characters to be that high RR so I have better conditions at the start of a fight. Most often people get lazy and play less good since their char has more strenght by RAs, which win the fight for them.

There is too much going wrong on Uthgard in my view, noone ever makes the first step to respect others and try being a good example for others to do the same except Rare. That 's why I was staying that long in this guild, wich I built up with Griselda and all other members, which brought a good influence in it. But time showed there are just too few people who are mannered enought to take part in the idea of a friendlier and more respectful community which makes fun in RvR possible for everyone. It doesn't mean to have equal numbers every fight. Skill and RR decide the strenght of a group and it is by far not equal in the most groups that fight each other with equal numbers. But it is as well not the goal to gather the most people for success or to add fights for RP. If you can't win the fight vs a higher level/skill group it is totally ok to get a few adder/a small group to help, but not instantly a second group or more. The dimension has to fit, so the challenge exists for both opponents.

I had a lot of fun playing DAoC. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. There are good and bad days. But these days are far gone since people are knowingly destroying the chances to compete with your opponent by adding/zerging/farming lower level chars. There is no more challenge, this is just farming or being farmed, that 's why I quit Uthgard.


P.S.: What is pweet to decide the status of Rare?

Bloodwyne wrote:

pweet wrote:Rare is dead

uthgard rvr is dead, just DG and empty zones, nothing but boring. Rare still exists the same way like always, just apparently alot of inactivity on uthgard (for good reason). if it will change? Will uthgard change?

everyone lives in his own litle world

Llithium wrote: CUT CUT

I do 100% subscribe, and add that the problem is also caused by the will of many people to set their brain in auto mode and generalize.
Many times, ingame, i read statements that are offensive for the intelligence itself, like "i'll do what they have done to me".
As if the enemies in the other realms were just a bunch of clones, all thinking and behaving the same, like borgs of Star Trek.
But this has nothing to do with reality. Sane people usually don't claim, for example, that all the gipsies are thieves, just because one gipsy stole them something.
Generalize is something that people do to cut corners and limit the brain usage, but it will lead to lots of problems.
If one alb or mid, meet a lamer acting hib, doesn't mean that i'm a lamer as well and that i have to pay the price for sins i did not commit.
This is what i try to do when i play, making the faults being paid by the ones that committed them, and not by just everyone else, because this will exasperate the environment. Respect for who deserves it, as well as disrespect for who don't deserves it, not for the entire world.

Akip wrote:

You look very fat on ur pic, Akip

Lithium, maybe you should shorten your text a bit so everyone can read it without sleeping..

It's easy: Not servers fault, players fault. ALL players. You want sth different? Do sth for it or it won't happen.

Easy as that

I dont read posts longer than 3 lines in qq threads as well. But ty for ur effort.

DAoC is just a game.
Sure, I also prefered to play 8vs8 fights by running in guild pugs. Because it made more fun to fight a fight with even teams ... Or doing PvE.
But i took an arrow to my kn... Uhm, I mean I just stopped playing DAoC due to ... lack of time and lust.
But it is just a game! I didn't start to insult the mother of other player's which right now added a nice fight.

The problem is: You can NEVER handle "unwritten laws" in games! So better just shut up ingame and keep on playing concentrated or stop it.
DAoC is a complex game, yes. It is definately NOT Counter Strike.

But there are ALWAYS "unwritten rules" or "laws" or watever.
In Battlefield 3 your mum is getting insulted because you just shoot down the infantry by using the rocket launcher because it seems unfair to play with it. But it is in the game - So it is expected to be used.
Player try to convince other player because they think that their believes are THE ONLY WAY.
But why should my way of playing be more better than others? It is in the game. It is possible. Why should I - as a player like my opponent - have a better idea of the game like everyone else?

Here comes the philosophical part.
A misanthrope hates every human because he think that his values (in which he believes) are more correct, more true, better than the believes of other people. But you - as a human like everyone else -, why should YOU have a better, more correct idea of this object? Because you just "feel" better this way while other people don't?

The subject is: People "EXPLODE" and insult every mothers living on this planet just because they got added the whole evening.
You, people who do this, you are not forced to play ... Drink much alcohol or smoke much weed while playing to relax or whatever. But just behave and don't react on every provocation like a counterstrike child.

We have many CS-kids here..

There is many kind of players that insult. YOu got ppl that insult becuz they get added ( i already did it sometime i dont hide it ) and there is the others that insult you cuz you not hide ( happened to me quite often also, getting insulted cuz i refused add a 1V1 ) So like said Ayl, just ignore ppl that insult you, and keep playing how u want.

I'd say close, this will lead to nothing but qq,flames and insult.

PS: I agree with Llithium

Something what makes DAoC very different from shooter is that in shooter your success only depends on your skill - your personal skill and maybe the team work or tactic of your group. In DAoC, without a question, skill is an important factor to win a fight, but equipment, character choise and realm rank are very or even the most important factors, too. So, the probability of a real balanced 1on1 or 8vs8 is very low in DAoC, because the strenght of a character/group depends on various things.

Another very important thing on a shooter is that you can choose against which skill level you want to play. If there are too many exeptional skilled players you simply leave the server and look for players at your level. This is not possible in DAoC, because there is only one large RvR. Under this aspect, the BGs are the most fair solution in DAoC because of the limit in RR which at least give some amount of fairness. That might be the reason why many player prefer to do RvR there instead of Emain and will level a new character for BG instead of going out to Emain.

And, to be honest, as someone who played a nightshade a long time on classic live, most RPs as a solo player you dont get by fair fights but by fights were you simply dominate less skilled/less equiped/less buffed/lower RR players - although you of course only show some cherry picked fights against equal in your vids

I think it is from frustration . I see it alot myself but I have always played albion so i guess I am use to see it. From my many years playing albion classes the issue is simple really when you enjoy playing free cell more than logging on your alb well that should tell you something .

Bloodwyne wrote:Make Uthgard to a PvP server and there would be another way than a verbal confrontation to deal with people that disrespect someones gameplay =)

Personally i got added and ganked and zerged a hell lots of time cause i do any kind of RvR. Except some verbal "incidents" i usually try to communicate my problem on a respectful manner or simply have the patients that people start to respect the way i play or simply ignore people or happenings that just ruined my fight.
On my Paladin Caroli i experience that a very lot of people that are well known for being adders or zergers or whatever you wanna call them, let me have my fights and let me be around without ganking me. Ofcourse theres some low RR guilds like Drachengarde that have good reason to kill all they can see cause they need the RP's and they have alot of realmpride aswell, even though they wouldnt need to do this cause everyone knows they are untouchable when it comes to 8v8.
But those people i really no longer care about. It's not something you can change with getting angry or verbal attacks. All you can hope for is the Staff making the RvR zones more attractive to support proper RvR for every person, no matter what playstyle he prefers. But as this would mean a turn of 180° in the staff''s thinking that u rather try to control yourself and realize that verbal attacks doesnt make it better, but only worse. On the other side people should also show a little more respect for how people want to play their game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD7RRcZW ... ZTT6VwtVwc

Still makes me laugh so hard .
/hug both