You shouldn't flame any of the GMs. It's a bad idea to increase the prices imo, but insulting wont help with anything.

4 Pages of complains in 8h, maybe u realize that ur small adaption is not as a small thing u changed by one click than u thought...

I coudnt agree more with the above statement by Healowner. Instead of trashing on a group of people that makes playing on this server possible please try and be constructive of your critism. For example, I dont like the idea, but rather then saying deragatory things about people that have a job they dont get paid for, instead make suggestions about what could improve the situation. I personally feel that the increase in BP cost for respec stones was fine, HOWEVER, I feel the increase should have been alot less. It was almost (not quite) a 4x increase in BP price. I would say either increase BP's for killing people or add BP's for doing group gaurd tasks to make this difference not as great.

I understand people using BP's to make money on respec's to pay for charges/barrels and other day to day costs, and I also understand that was not the intention of the gm's when they put in respec stones on BP merchants. Now in saying all that I would like to point out that I have NEVER once sold a respec for money while using bp's. I saved up and used the BP's to buy respecs that I would use on my main toon (ranger) and on my other toons as well. I have probably bought maybe 2 RA respecs and maybe 2 full skill respecs on my ranger, who is 6L1, and as of now I have a tad over 7k bps. So from the time I got out of thid until 6L1 I have gotton maybe 15k bp's total give or take a thousand. On this new rate system I would have enough to buy 1 full skill respec and 1 RA respec from the time of 4L2 (cap in thid) till 6L1. That is not right.

I realise that the increase in drops from dragon/legion, by your guys' thinking, will flood the market w/ respec stones and keep the price down, and this could work in theory alltho i doubt it. Instead I think players (myself included) will just horde and keep stones in their vault since they know that when they need one they will not have the bp's to buy them anymore. So instead of having a market flooded w/ respec stones keeping the price down, you will have people sitting on 3 or 4 respec stones in their vault for if and when they decide to respec.

To reiterate, I think the gm's and staff of uthgard do an excellent job, and thats doing a job that no matter what you do you will upset somebody, but on this particular issue I think the price on the respec stones needs to be lowered somewhat to a reasonable amount of bp's. I still say 2k for single line and 4k for RA/Full skill respecs would be the perfect balance for what ur looking to do. It would keep cost on respecs low (for people buying them w/ gold), would encourage more dragon/legioin raids, and would also raise the price enough on respecs that people would be using their bp's as intended by the gm's and used just for respecs to be used by that player rather then trying to make money on them, while at the same time keeping them affordable enough for the casual RvR player.

Blue wrote:Nobody said its to prevent conversion from BP=>plat.

Blue wrote:To make one point clear, Respec Stones on BP merchants were at no point in time intended to be traded against money to other players! Otherwise I can't explain why solo players should have been hit by that change.

Don´t get me wrong, I don´t want to blame anyone but it kinda sounds like not even the DEV himself exactly knows what this change is about. I´m trying to figure out which "improvement" the players will have within this "fix" and I just can´t get it ...

Blue wrote:Respec stones are not essential in daily RvR and the increased droprates will make them better available. Prices will drop over time.

Respec stones simply ARE essential in daily RvR! Everyone playing active RvR will sign this and the best way to provide your toons with respecs in the past was to spend your hard earned BPS ... I´m talking about the 1k/2k system since it´s been pretty hard to earn enough BPS for a whole respec on each RR level.
The fact that increased droprates will make them better available and prices will drop over time is almost unbelievable (see post above).

Why encourage PvE?

There could have been other solutions to high BPS count (if there is such thing or there are players with) or too much money on the market:

- For the first issue, on the contrary, if you would have removed respecs from Dragon/Legion, it would only have triggered more BPS spending and more RvR action for BPS (with the same price for respecs). Who needs a respec will have to rvr more, and few will pay more than the normal price because its easier to get that respec from RvR.

- On the other hand, if you wanted more money spending, you could try to re-implement legendary drops (instead more respecs dropped - this would trigger the same lovely PvE) in combination with removing the Bosses respecs (with the described effect above). Other cool (money sink) change would be the implementation of horse armors/barding.

These changes you just did are triggering what is called inflation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation), and imo nothing good (but more farming/money on the market) comes from PvE encouraging. Isn't anyone with basic economy knowledge in the staff? ^^

Just my oppinion.

Edit: this change doesnt affect me at all - i dont need respecs - my chars are specced the right way - just as a sidenote.
Edit2: for those who didnt figured it out yet, you can get a cheaper DF 400 diamond respec than a 7k Bps respec.

If your aim is to get more people to the dragons / legions the only logical solution would have been simple and radical but would fit to the server aims to 100%.

Delete Tajendi instead of deleting bp items and delete all the drops of it. Thats live like and classic.

What you get now is even more Tajendi Farmers, cause it gives you much more platin/h and is easily done instead of a random dragon raid.

I dont agree with deleting tajendi id rather see Tajendi as a zone that people can solo and duo in instead of making it like ML3 and require group questing..it would give people something to do

im sick of endless farming in old zones to be able to buy a cloak and staff

and why not lower the bp price of the stones and make the bp stones no trade..problem solved

I don't have a problem with the increase, little high but it's not like it can be modified again if it isn't working....

Two biggest complaints I see is that RvRers, specifically soloers, use it to make money to keep their pot habit (no pun intended haha) going. So... I assume that most pot users make their own pots, and from what I understand those take a good amount of time, so you are going to complain about an hour or two of farming a mob every so often? I know I know... OMG THATS EVEN MOARRR TIME AWAY FROM RVR!!!!11 Well... kick the pot habit? Or run fewer pots, or do what you need to do to make money to support it, its part of the game, to get money for crap if you really want to respec that often or use pots.

Other complaint ties in to the same idea, you respec a lot, so its the end of the world that you can't get respecs. Yet again... with the increase in drops, I can't imagine the prices of the stones jumping very much higher than they are now. So... farm some items, sell em to get money to buy the stones, or go on a raid every so often.

Either way, if you want to run with all these extras, whether it be respecing a lot or with pots, take the time and effort to make it happen. I can't see how it hurts the casual player because they aren't too worried about pots or constant respeccing in most cases.

a warder with self buffs telling people to kick thier pot habit is lol :p

What if I grow my own pots, In California its ok. Would staff raid my house checking if I have my card?

I picked a really bad time to experiment with a different spec

Anyone in hib want to sell me a respec cheap so I can go back to group friendly? Lol or i will try this spec out for another 5000 BP I guess...heh.

Blue wrote:

Pelusilla wrote:Thats the problem, why do legion when we have that stupid overpowered TAJENDI items ( really bad idea, im so sorry, a nerf could be useful), stones prices will drop eventually but still people will do that raids only for gems and a few drops, while you can farm taj 2 bosses for the best staffs, Breastplate or gems with charges.

Thats btw a big problem with Tajendi. It doesnt fit into classic environment.

Pelusilla wrote:People here complaint about do a 1 hour dragon raid for gem but none tell nothing about doing taj 2 raids over and over to get a piece of heavenly armor for template or pay 20 plats for that.

Thats what I thought too... We have up to 15 Tajendi runs in the evening.

Isn`t this the root of the Problem and this change is a try to get more Ppl out of Tajendi and raiding Legion/Dragon? I don`t think this will help at all, because you can farm some Tajendi mobs still with 4 Ppl while you need at least 2 FG to kill Legion/Dragon. The organisational effort is much higher and the outcome isn`t realy worth it, even with the rais in respec drops.

Astealoth wrote:

Blue wrote:We have up to 15 Tajendi runs in the evening.

make all taj drops character bound like taj1 cloaks. see how long this goes on ^^

Wouldn`t this be a very nice solution ;P

P.S.: I can remeber there were some warnings about too valuable and easy to get Items in Tajendi 2 very quick after releas. Now it`s a bit late to handle with it, there is a huge amount of this items out in the Uthgard-World.

Healowner, RonELuvv, i didn't want to offend the staff and i think no one here just want to blame someone, but all this topic is really unbelievable to me.
They do a change on something that no one complained about (and that have nothing to do with "live like" excuse), we ask why, after 4 pages of question we are still waiting for a logic cause and all we have is a vague answer about the necessity to increase PvE raid? On this server?

Come on: from the release of OF everyday on this forum there are tons of post about how to improve and favour RvR, a problem that staff's members too acknowledged often, and now we have a change because of low dragon/legion raid?

Do the staff thing that casuals player are able to organize a raid (that needs a minimum of 2 well done full group of good players with a good tp) and have fun toghether? People that can do this are the same player that could afford RvR at the moment. So if there are more people doing raids -> there are less people doing end RvR. So what we have here? A change to choke off RvR (and i don't think it will work in this sense however)?

I don't understand.

Tajendi is the Problem. Not more, not less.
A Respec Change, wont change anything- even if i dont care about it.

I'd like to just point out that at least on live where you had expensive respec stones, you were given a free realm ability respec at lvl 20 and another free realm ability respec at lvl 40 which didn't vanish when you passed those levels. So the new player was given two free RA respecs by the time they are 50.


Here you have to save up the cash or BPs to buy one, that takes some time even currently. Increasing this cost will hurt new players.

So at least implement the livelike free RA respecs. It was the same patch that made assasins unable to stay stealth when 1 shotting someone with a CS opener.