To make this clear ^^
I know that I did very bad in that video from post #1, I never said I should have won that fight because I played so good. Anyways, I would have nearly won it. But I didn't and its interesting to watch how Dragoon could turn the tide in the last seconds.

Btw, I did that evadetest again with more attacks. The result was, that the hunters pet has NO influence on the targets evaderate.



http://www.uthgard-server.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=177348#177348

Rector wrote:
Btw, I did that evadetest again with more attacks. The result was, that the hunters pet has NO influence on the targets evaderate.

That's livelike though. The hunter TL was trying to get evade rate halved by pets when I stopped playing after 1.80


Here is a quote from Wyrdd in one of the discussion of the hunter TL report back in late 2005;

"Thanks, Kattbird for helping out ^_^

From just a preliminary test (i.e. small data set, just looking for large trends), here are the results:

Only looking at the Hunter's attack rate since we do not have a basis of comparison for the pet.
No Pet: # (%-chance of attacks reaching that function) [%-of total]
Attacks: 107 attacks
Hits: 68 hits (63.6%)
Evades: 18 (16.8%) [16.8%]
Parries: 8 (9.0%) [7.5%]
Misses: 13 (16%) [12.1%]

With Pet:
Attacks: 156
Hits: 100 (64.1%)
Evades: 23 (14.7%) [14.7%]
Parries: 9 (6.8%) [5.8%]
Misses 24 (19.4%) [15.4%]

Its a small test set, but from that it looks like the pet isnt affecting parry or evade rate. Ill try to get more feedback from Mythic on the issue and if I can get ahold of Qisa, we can run some much larger scale tests in our little testing hidey-hole on Pendragon.

Edit: Testing subject was a RR8L1 Valewalker with ~130 Dex and Qui. No stat buffs used. 20+18? Parry and Evade 4.

W "



I think its stupid that the hunter pet didn't count as a second attacker, but that's how mythic wanted it =/


this is the thread that little snippet was pulled from;

http://vnboards.ign.com/midgard_stealth ... 9651089/p2


Wyrdd originally believed that the hunter pet when in the front arc should halve evade, parry and block with a small shield, but testing demonstrated this to be incorrect, as the hunter pet for whatever reason was not counted as a 2nd attacker.

Dragoonn wrote:

Lintu wrote:I doubt there will be Tajendi3 at all


While watching this I really did not think that the infi had a chance at all. He went like a noob in the start and then he just came and won xD

run behind the wall is the best choice

so i have time to decide if run, hide, wait for melee fight or pray

Well yea, fine so far. But you did NOT go behind the wall lol

you should try fighting ns/infil without the pet. youre just giving them an extra evade chance for their evade styles. also staying so still during a fight is another reason you are dying. try moving around ^^

your claim the pet has no influence on evade rate is unfounded. i saw the NS do 4 extra evades that he wouldnt have had without the pet.

Ronian wrote:And today I faced an Inf and had 5 mainhand evades. So plz stop your everyday ranger bash Seyha.

5 main hand evades in a row? And since you specify main-hand I'm assuming your off-hand hit.

Don't blame me for the Ranger bash. Breeze is the instigator.

Astealoth wrote:you should try fighting ns/infil without the pet. youre just giving them an extra evade chance for their evade styles. also staying so still during a fight is another reason you are dying. try moving around ^^

your claim the pet has no influence on evade rate is unfounded. i saw the NS do 4 extra evades that he wouldnt have had without the pet.

I know when facing mobs, if you evade one mob, but attacking another, you cant use the evade from the other mob, to do a style on another. So if someone evades the pet, they shouldnt be able to use that evade on the hunter, if they can, that maybe a bug and should be reported.

I do agree there should be some love for the hunter, mainly more for his pet, like testing on live to see if there damage needs to be adjusted/miss rate, ablities (patch restricteds), and maybe some consideration on the idea that the pet should count as another attacking and lower defenses, but not the full half, as this bonus would work on evade, shield, and parry enemys.

So sad to see that server preferances will make a lot of classes downright unplayable.

Braxis actually jump every thread once to say this

Zappo wrote:Braxis actually jump every thread once to say this

Well since a lot of ppl are fanatically blind to that fact, I feel a need to point it out every now and again...

Zappo wrote:Braxis actually jump every thread once to say this

I'd actually do the same if I had a reaver and no class respec

Seyha wrote:

Ronian wrote:And today I faced an Inf and had 5 mainhand evades. So plz stop your everyday ranger bash Seyha.

5 main hand evades in a row? And since you specify main-hand I'm assuming your off-hand hit.

Don't blame me for the Ranger bash. Breeze is the instigator.

3 Singles 2 duals. Not in a row almost.

Ronian wrote:3 Singles 2 duals. Not in a row almost.

So, in other words, it's not that big of a problem for you. Especially since you attack almost twice as fast as Laya. I already pointed out that if a Ranger was in a similar situation as Laya he would just pop his RR5 and collect RPs.

What rr5 ? Need to start accepting such things as rr5 will not be part of any classes benifits, as they will be gone after the revamp. And also, yes he could pull RR5 to stun and do damage, but remember there rr5 is suppose to be essence dmg and take no resist in damage, but does on uthgard. So if it didnt kill his enemy, he would now be unable to attack for 15 sec and most likely has a DoT on him which would of killed him anyway.

But like i said... what rr5

Eclipsed wrote:But like i said... what rr5

The RR5 that we are playing with now? Any Ranger who misjudges his RR5 and fails to kill his opponent is an idiot. You consistently do 190-200 damage with it. Plan accordingly.

I know full well that OF RAs will bring a Ranger nerf, because Hunters will get nerfed even harder than your class. The loss of RR5 will hurt us more than it does you. Hunters need our RR5 abiltiy because we need to kite to win. Without MoS most of our combat will start with PA+CD, so good luck beating any assassin when you start the fight at 40% HP with no chance of escape. Oh yeah, and Hunters are nerfed down to Evade 2 with the 1.69 patch. Isn't that cute?

The Hunter will be killed off with OF RAs.

Seyha wrote:

Eclipsed wrote:But like i said... what rr5

The RR5 that we are playing with now? Any Ranger who misjudges his RR5 and fails to kill his opponent is an idiot. You consistently do 190-200 damage with it. Plan accordingly.

I know full well that OF RAs will bring a Ranger nerf, because Hunters will get nerfed even harder than your class. The loss of RR5 will hurt us more than it does you. Hunters need our RR5 abiltiy because we need to kite to win. Without MoS most of our combat will start with PA+CD, so good luck beating any assassin when you start the fight at 40% HP with no chance of escape. Oh yeah, and Hunters are nerfed down to Evade 2 with the 1.69 patch. Isn't that cute?

The Hunter will be killed off with OF RAs.

The RR5 Ranger RA is totally broken on Uthgard. It works on yourself, it works vs dead players and it has a high variance 180 to 280 damage and I dont know why it cant make the same damage on the same player like it should with a fixed damage type.