nixian wrote:all toons get a new job / thing they are good at with OF RAs.. if you wanna keep playing the same playstyle.. reroll.. if you wanna play your toon.. change playstyle.. its really as simple as that..

and yes this change is "pushed upon you" however this is what happens in an evolving server.. get used to it.. life is brutal..

heh I will just farm and craft, no more rvr.

or better yet I should just quit this devoving server.
I started playing here because it was stable,(I thought there wouldn't be drastic changes) sure it had/has its quirks.
What the staff is doing here is no different when Mythic gave us TOA effectivly changing the end game.
But I see myself doing the same thing I did on live bending over and taking it.
Or maybe this time I will learn from the past, time will tell.

not just rangers. but Scout and hunters are going to get hit with this as well.

OF RAs where never very friendly to Archer classes. after the game started to get rolling ( Right before ToA )

people stoped grouping up with archer types for more utility.
and archers could only be useful in the field for scouting. as Solo was very hard for them...

But tho they had one thing going for them in live that uthgard they wont see for awhile is:

there is still Too many Bow bugs: Damage is still to low. to many togle bugs for rapid fire etc, that make a true sinper useful.

Camo? i played in live pre and post and with camo it was a live saver. but Granted i was very new at the game. but only time i saw RPs on my Archer is if i was in a Stealther group or in a 8man/zerg. As for solo i only won maybe 10% of my fights VS same RR assassins.

I think old RAs shouldnt be brought back untill all the other bugs are fixed first.

Seyha wrote:

nixian wrote:all toons get a new job / thing they are good at with OF RAs.. if you wanna keep playing the same playstyle.. reroll.. if you wanna play your toon.. change playstyle.. its really as simple as that..

How am I supposed to change my play style, Nixian? Are you suggesting I turn to farming greens and blues? Maybe I should start adding fair fights? Because those are the only play-style changes I can think of that will work with these new RAs.

instead of thinking your hunter as a solo stealther hunter think of your hunter as a good addition to a group of stealthers.. make a mid "black adder group" and start having stealth 8v8.. THAT is how you could change your playstyle..

@ everyone who call doomsday because of old RAs: Seriously I can't take you serious.. at least bring some arguments to the table instead of the constant whine and QQ, its making me sick..


@ archers: Yes your playstyle will change from solo -> stealthgroup.. adjust or reroll/quit.. its the nature of life and evolution..

nixian wrote:

Seyha wrote:

nixian wrote:all toons get a new job / thing they are good at with OF RAs.. if you wanna keep playing the same playstyle.. reroll.. if you wanna play your toon.. change playstyle.. its really as simple as that..

How am I supposed to change my play style, Nixian? Are you suggesting I turn to farming greens and blues? Maybe I should start adding fair fights? Because those are the only play-style changes I can think of that will work with these new RAs.

instead of thinking your hunter as a solo stealther hunter think of your hunter as a good addition to a group of stealthers.. make a mid "black adder group" and start having stealth 8v8.. THAT is how you could change your playstyle..

@ everyone who call doomsday because of old RAs: Seriously I can't take you serious.. at least bring some arguments to the table instead of the constant whine and QQ, its making me sick..


@ archers: Yes your playstyle will change from solo -> stealthgroup.. adjust or reroll/quit.. its the nature of life and evolution..

Well many stealth cry on forum, but none noticed the high improvement on really underperform classes like wizzards will get, they are now almost useless cause charge and melee dps frenzy, assasins and archers still can hide and kill i dont feel sorry for them, i did rank 6 on live with my inf before toa came and new ras and we played the same game...seems that utghard rogue classes want to win everytime, why adjust , they want things like now if they are one of the op classes of course ^^

Stealth rvr wont be same after this change. i feel a lil bit sorry for hunters and scouts they are only a few out there atm (in cause of the bow bugs) and with old RAs these will quit after a couple of weeks (cause solo archers are just free rps for assasins with camo down. )

i dont see much use for an archer in a stealth grp, better get another assasins. (i guess the archer will get an PA will die first and wont be of a big use for the grp)

so i will reroll a assasin after the patch goes live cause archer doesnt make sense as a solo char anymore.

this is a very nice freeshard. now we get somekind of charwipe for archers (someone created a toon for solo rvr. we get the ra change -> solo rvr is not possible with this toon -> toon is useles)

but hey its a freeshard, that is totaly common on freeshards.

nixian wrote:

Seyha wrote:

nixian wrote:all toons get a new job / thing they are good at with OF RAs.. if you wanna keep playing the same playstyle.. reroll.. if you wanna play your toon.. change playstyle.. its really as simple as that..

How am I supposed to change my play style, Nixian? Are you suggesting I turn to farming greens and blues? Maybe I should start adding fair fights? Because those are the only play-style changes I can think of that will work with these new RAs.

instead of thinking your hunter as a solo stealther hunter think of your hunter as a good addition to a group of stealthers.. make a mid "black adder group" and start having stealth 8v8.. THAT is how you could change your playstyle..

@ everyone who call doomsday because of old RAs: Seriously I can't take you serious.. at least bring some arguments to the table instead of the constant whine and QQ, its making me sick..


@ archers: Yes your playstyle will change from solo -> stealthgroup.. adjust or reroll/quit.. its the nature of life and evolution..

Yes just create the blue adders -.-
Bah...

So fun a lot of people think that with old RA will promote skilled play and you just claim that the only way to play my toon with old RA is to add. ^^

zaszeadora wrote:

nixian wrote:

Seyha wrote:

nixian wrote:all toons get a new job / thing they are good at with OF RAs.. if you wanna keep playing the same playstyle.. reroll.. if you wanna play your toon.. change playstyle.. its really as simple as that..

How am I supposed to change my play style, Nixian? Are you suggesting I turn to farming greens and blues? Maybe I should start adding fair fights? Because those are the only play-style changes I can think of that will work with these new RAs.

instead of thinking your hunter as a solo stealther hunter think of your hunter as a good addition to a group of stealthers.. make a mid "black adder group" and start having stealth 8v8.. THAT is how you could change your playstyle..

@ everyone who call doomsday because of old RAs: Seriously I can't take you serious.. at least bring some arguments to the table instead of the constant whine and QQ, its making me sick..


@ archers: Yes your playstyle will change from solo -> stealthgroup.. adjust or reroll/quit.. its the nature of life and evolution..

Well many stealth cry on forum, but none noticed the high improvement on really underperform classes like wizzards will get, they are now almost useless cause charge and melee dps frenzy, assasins and archers still can hide and kill i dont feel sorry for them, i did rank 6 on live with my inf before toa came and new ras and we played the same game...seems that utghard rogue classes want to win everytime, why adjust , they want things like now if they are one of the op classes of course ^^

the archers are crying here not the assasins.
assasins will be fine with old ras. the mid and alb assasins will be very happy cause the dont have to fight rangers anymore. (so they can spec high cs again)

nixian wrote:instead of thinking your hunter as a solo stealther hunter think of your hunter as a good addition to a group of stealthers.. make a mid "black adder group" and start having stealth 8v8.. THAT is how you could change your playstyle..

@ archers: Yes your playstyle will change from solo -> stealthgroup.. adjust or reroll/quit.. its the nature of life and evolution..

I can already do this! With MoS 5 and high bow spec I get invited to counter Black Adder and Hibzergs all the time, and I am good at it. I can already stealthgroup play with the current system if I want to. I can do it better with the current system because passive MoS 5 is much more useful than 30 minute True Sight.

This isn't life, this is a game. It has its own rules and unlike life you can change those rules when it is obvious they are bullshit.

zaszeadora wrote:Well many stealth cry on forum

What are you talking about? Assassins will dominate with OF RAs. They will lose their only natural enemy the archer. There will be no way to counter them except once every 30 minutes with True Sight. OF RAs are an Assassin paradise--Mythic gave them almost every possible advantage except IP.

Seyha wrote:and unlike life you can change those rules when it is obvious they are bullshit.

bad mentality man ^^
you need a bit of french

Seyha wrote:What are you talking about? Assassins will dominate with OF RAs. They will lose their only natural enemy the archer. There will be no way to counter them except once every 30 minutes with True Sight. OF RAs are an Assassin paradise--Mythic gave them almost every possible advantage except IP.

i don't agree.
the natural enemy of assassins always be on daoc the other assassins of the other realms.
is just on Utghard that the enemy of infs/sb's is the ranger.
on live, archers have no chance against assassins ON MELEE, keep this on mind, and don't forget this. Archers are good with bow, and, of course, if grp'ed.

ask Nightshades, for exemple, if SCOUTS or HUNTERS are the main enemies, and then, pls, try to be honest and undersand that on this server rangers are by far overperforming what they should be.


all the rest is flame or QQ of rangers that, here, are totally dominating steaths wars easly killing every type of hidden (infs,/sb's/scout/hunters).

this is the point that all continue to not understand ...


again:

ask nightshades if hunters/scouts are a problem.

then ask infs/sb's/hunters/scouts who is main enemy

stop talk s....h...it pls

if this server was working as intended, with new ra's assassins will get debuffs on cc style line, infs will get stun off evade on slash line, sb's will get stun on side laxe (if i remember well not implemented) etc etc and a lot of other stuffs making they a lot better.

but, here, only rangers take advantage from new ra's.
then put a clear bug on defence ability and u have a clear photo of the situation here (just try, if u want, Eden I50; that even if i really don't like it, work A LOT BETTER on melee system than Uthgard. Try fight a sb/inf with a melee ranger, u will get evaded 60/70% of swings, ah, and yeah, pd is removed ... all is supposed to be implemented like should be on live and, from my experience of old and new daoc days, is really close to live, a lot more tha uthgard).

Well, Uthard is by far better for what it should be:

a Classic daoc experience.

so stop QQ and be honest, then change your style of play how was on this funny days, where daoc was a good game.
And be happy because, since staff will not fix some other bugs (see instane damage of rangers, some type of problems on WS, evade/defence seem not working etc) playing a ranger will get u a chance to compete melee.
If they will find what is the problem on melee system all rangers will spec bow and start play the char like was supposed to be ...

ps again:
enemies of assassins are other assassins, not archers ^_^

No, they're not.

nixian wrote:@ archers: Yes your playstyle will change from solo -> stealthgroup.. adjust or reroll/quit.. its the nature of life and evolution..

Yes, thats what you do with evolution. However you don't adjust to de-evolution, you try to prevent it.


On a side note, I can't belive that someone on Uthgard (a server that refuses to evolve by not introducing things that improve gameplay without destroying the "zomgclassic" feeling) is actually trying to talk about evolution .

I laugh so hard when realc0 begins to talk about why his assassin fails vs rangers.

realac0 wrote:Ranger stuff

What was the point of this post? I do not play a Ranger. I play a Hunter, and I solo lots of Nightshades.

ps again:
enemies of assassins are other assassins, not archers ^_^

No they're not. Assassins can't find each other most of the time. As a MoS Archer I see enemy Assassins pass each other in stealth all the time without ever realizing it. Archers are the primary enemy of assassins because we can actually see them. This will change with OF RAs and the only threat to Assassins will be True Sight archers who can only go active once every 30 minutes.

Ronian wrote:I laugh so hard when realc0 begins to talk about why his assassin fails vs rangers.

U (and almost other rangers except 4lx) kill me with 3 hits, even if im stealthed etc...

So u can call it balanced game?

EDIT : Mos allows Ronia and other rangers to shot me by far and i can't go close to combat (with pd it means no-dmg as u can see by the screen)...It's nice to see how nerfed ranger can use bow, side stun and shot u by miles and the op assassin can't make pa, and the only way to kill a ranger is to add with viper (cause rarely u can see an assassin even with viper to kill a ranger).



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