Yeah seems mids are really bored latelly, or alb sometimes.

One factor in the realm balance is that alb/hib are just harder to play in the current setting.

It is much harder to come back from making mistakes than on mid.

This affects pug more than guildgrps, but also can impact them, this i think is one of the reasons why mid's will just pug anything and be relatively successful in terms of pug play.

Toblerone wrote:What makes keep sieging important ? It's just something you can do when you're really really bored.

Well, 8v8 is what u like to play... other like to siege keeps/relis , other like zergfights, other like pve like dragon/legion raids.

8vs8 is definatly not the only "endgame content" of daoc, daoc isn't even designed for 8vs8

Well only 8v8 isn't. 3v3 is too, so is 4v4, 5v5, 6v6, because fighting in even not so huge numbers requires everyone to do their part. Zerging, yawn, I'll sit back and watch what happens or spam spells without thinking. Keep sieging, yawn, sit in a ram for 15 minutes then kill a mob.

It definitely is endgame content in terms of effort required in order to come out victorious. Zerging is easy, keep taking is easy, pve is loleasy.

zerging can be easy, but it sometimes it also needs skill to lead a zerg. And a leader can only be as good as the people following his commands. Zerging needs a lot of skills as soon as you meet a challenge (other zerg for example).

To siege a reli can be much more challenging than every 8vs8 fight.

8vs8 can also be easy, and skill isn't necesarilly needed for it.

All you need is an advantage, like higher rr, better inc position etc. and every donkey can win an 8vs8.

holsten-knight wrote: Zerging needs a lot of skills as soon as you meet a challenge (other zerg for example).

not really


and every donkey can zerg much easier than play 8v8 or a balanced grp v grp... and you can still loose with rr advantage

zerging can be easy, but it sometimes it also needs skill to lead a zerg. And a leader can only be as good as the people following his commands.

@ DG: i'm sure you know all the best of it

holsten-knight (DG member) wrote:

All you need is an advantage, like higher rr, better inc position etc. and every donkey can win an 8vs8.

HAHAHAHHA thats why you run 8 ppl in emain, right?

you made my day! thx

holsten-knight wrote:zerging can be easy, but it sometimes it also needs skill to lead a zerg. And a leader can only be as good as the people following his commands. Zerging needs a lot of skills as soon as you meet a challenge (other zerg for example).

To siege a reli can be much more challenging than every 8vs8 fight.

8vs8 can also be easy, and skill isn't necesarilly needed for it.

All you need is an advantage, like higher rr, better inc position etc. and every donkey can win an 8vs8.

Haha keep telling yourself that. The only deciding factor in zerg vs zerg is numbers. Leading: nope because 90% of the people aren't paying attention to what the leader says anyway. Skill: haha as if anyone zerging in the first place possesses any skill.

Sieging relics yeah terribly challenging. I've been on one such on uthgard with a cleric. Windowed mode, watching a movie and once in a while rezzing noobs who got nuked down. In the end we lost because we got terribly outnumbered, duh (something like 25 vs 40-50). Amazingly challenging and fun. First and last time I attempted a relic raid on uthgard.

If every donkey can win an 8v8, why can't you ?

Xuji wrote:@ DG: i'm sure you know all the best of it

Try to lead a zerg, and you'll know it, Mr Elitist.

Toblerone wrote:Keep sieging, yawn, sit in a ram for 15 minutes then kill a mob.

Looks like you never made any funny experiences with keep-raiding on live-servers.

Nope, I never found wasting my time to be "funny".

No, again you made my day.

I luv flames, the only honest sign of resepct u can get from enemys in a forum

There seems to be many players who are passionate for 8v8.

Maybe you can make a new server with a 8v8 duel zone and play against each other?

tharid wrote:

Try to lead a zerg, and you'll know it, Mr Elitist.

I dont need to, ill run your zerg down by leading only 7 ppl.

If i wanna lead the zerg, ill play Starcraft.

Thanks for the name, kinda like it.

NOT going off topic here!

holsten-knight wrote:No, again you made my day.

I luv flames, the only honest sign of resepct u can get from enemys in a forum

You're confusing "respect" with "laughing-stock of the server".

Toblerone wrote:Sieging relics yeah terribly challenging. I've been on one such on uthgard with a cleric. Windowed mode, watching a movie and once in a while rezzing noobs who got nuked down. In the end we lost because we got terribly outnumbered, duh (something like 25 vs 40-50). Amazingly challenging and fun. First and last time I attempted a relic raid on uthgard.

So you acknowledged you are a noob in the reli raid and zerg business. No problem, play as you like, but don't tell others about things you don't understand at all.

So all you see in this case is, we lost due to numbers (standard 8vs8 excuse for loosing). What you, as a absolutely reli and zerg boon, don't see is how it came to these outnumberation.

Was the reli raid quick enough? Enough rams, quick enough build? Where there stealther spys positioned in key places? Where there interception groups planed to intercept incomming enemys before they reach the relic? etc., etc.

Propably the reli raid was announced through /broad and all the x-realmers had to do was to log they'r caster in the other realm for free ar pees