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Postby Amadeth » Feb 01, 2010 16:03

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Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.

Minstrel is about same as a bard, but without mezz, heal, endu, buffs, instead minstrel has mezz, charm and ablaitiv. He still needs to keep pulsing charm, since its a pulse that continually eats up mana while pulsing ablaitiv or speed. He also cannot play any songs while stealthed and doesnt have mos either. His best defense is his chain armor that is, in fact, covering about same amount of HPs a caster has, baseblock and evade2 as defense propabilities. TBH i dont know a single OFFTANK that wouldnt kill any minstrel within 15 seconds not even giving that minstrel a chance to use his DDs a second time.

Mincer is a skald that cannot train parry and is restricted to use 1h , apart from that if we ignore AOTG RA skald has and mincer dont its the same class:P and he s not that weak..especially now that they have 70 ablative MHB 100%.

Skald is a hybrid with 2h weapon and a damage add song. Minstrel is a rogue with 1h, no parry, no damage add and usually lower weapon spec.

You can't compare 1h rogue damage to 2h hybrid with secondary strength attribute and a damage add.
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Postby Toblerone » Feb 01, 2010 16:05

Yes almost the same except for the fact that skald hits twice has hard.

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Postby vangonaj » Feb 01, 2010 16:09

Toblerone wrote:Yes almost the same except for the fact that skald hits twice has hard.


Skald hits twice slower and dont use shield for block (in uthgard block rate is very high).

Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 01, 2010 16:11

Skald can use shield. It only takes minimal amounts of effort to switch to 1h/shield while in downtime between 2h hits.

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Postby Amadeth » Feb 01, 2010 16:12

vangonaj wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

You are a GANGER!
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Postby vangonaj » Feb 01, 2010 16:14

Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

You are a GANGER!


If you don´t know who im in game better don´t say this.

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Postby Toblerone » Feb 01, 2010 16:15

I killed your hunter in thidranki with a trispec cleric.

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Postby vangonaj » Feb 01, 2010 16:18

Toblerone wrote:I killed your hunter in thidranki with a trispec cleric.


This hunter isnt my main. Then you if you don´t know, better shut up.

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Postby Glacius » Feb 01, 2010 16:18

Amadeth wrote:
Glacius wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.

Minstrel is about same as a bard, but without mezz, heal, endu, buffs, instead minstrel has mezz, charm and ablaitiv. He still needs to keep pulsing charm, since its a pulse that continually eats up mana while pulsing ablaitiv or speed. He also cannot play any songs while stealthed and doesnt have mos either. His best defense is his chain armor that is, in fact, covering about same amount of HPs a caster has, baseblock and evade2 as defense propabilities. TBH i dont know a single OFFTANK that wouldnt kill any minstrel within 15 seconds not even giving that minstrel a chance to use his DDs a second time.

Mincer is a skald that cannot train parry and is restricted to use 1h , apart from that if we ignore AOTG RA skald has and mincer dont its the same class:P and he s not that weak..especially now that they have 70 ablative MHB 100%.

Skald is a hybrid with 2h weapon and a damage add song. Minstrel is a rogue with 1h, no parry, no damage add and usually lower weapon spec.

You can't compare 1h rogue damage to 2h hybrid with secondary strength attribute and a damage add.

Both hit about the same if u put em 1h man, the dmg table is not that high, hibrid or rogue ..the style growth fro mthe dmg can make the diference and Amethist slash is better then any anytimer in midgard. Skald has dmg add=offensive, mincer has 70 melee dmg MHB 100%=defensive.
Eddie wrote:
Bukowski wrote:There are claims that the Savage is complex. What makes it more complex than any other melee class, particularly hybrids? The savagery line seems fairly simple to use, leaving only one style line to play with.


Savage, in fact, is no complex at all.
You might have 2 quickbars full of Abilities / Styles if you put them all, side, back, anytime, and reflexives (and if you do that almost any tank will have 2 full quickbars).
But the point is: What do a savage do? Or better what can I do with a Savage? Deal Damage, thats it. So once you learned all the styles, how they work and how to land them correctly, you will basically be a Damage Dealer Machine, you wont need to use your brain so much, on choosing what to do according to the situation.

Many might disagree i guess (especially savage users :D), and its ok, this is just my opinion but savage is a very simple char, you dont have any toy and you dont need skill to play it. ;)


How can u say that a tank doesnt have to use his brain on choosing what to do acording to the situation? if we maked dmg toons you think that we play while watching tv, geting a blowjob or something? as a tank you gota choose what to hit ,what to kill ,who to slam , guard etc , those players that play sorcs healers and other classes that have CC and heal should keep in mind that they are in a constant mind battle VS a tank , in this game if we take Casters VS tanks, casters will always have the advantage of range , especially in a 1 vs 1, in grp the healers play a major role but the battle its the same for both.Kill it until i wil not get CC ed again! and kill it until he will not get out of CC or get imune to my CC:P
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Postby Amadeth » Feb 01, 2010 16:19

vangonaj wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

You are a GANGER!


If you don´t know who im in game better don´t say this.

A friend of mine does. You GANGED him yesterday with your FG Mid stealthers.
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Postby Glacius » Feb 01, 2010 16:21

Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

You are a GANGER!


If you don´t know who im in game better don´t say this.

A friend of mine does. You GANGED him yesterday with your FG Mid stealthers.

You friend payed the price for what your gimp realm did at amg 1 week ago camping with 10 stealthers. We will hunt your ass and kill any mincer inf scout again again and again .

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Postby Amadeth » Feb 01, 2010 16:21

Glacius wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
Glacius wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.

Minstrel is about same as a bard, but without mezz, heal, endu, buffs, instead minstrel has mezz, charm and ablaitiv. He still needs to keep pulsing charm, since its a pulse that continually eats up mana while pulsing ablaitiv or speed. He also cannot play any songs while stealthed and doesnt have mos either. His best defense is his chain armor that is, in fact, covering about same amount of HPs a caster has, baseblock and evade2 as defense propabilities. TBH i dont know a single OFFTANK that wouldnt kill any minstrel within 15 seconds not even giving that minstrel a chance to use his DDs a second time.

Mincer is a skald that cannot train parry and is restricted to use 1h , apart from that if we ignore AOTG RA skald has and mincer dont its the same class:P and he s not that weak..especially now that they have 70 ablative MHB 100%.

Skald is a hybrid with 2h weapon and a damage add song. Minstrel is a rogue with 1h, no parry, no damage add and usually lower weapon spec.

You can't compare 1h rogue damage to 2h hybrid with secondary strength attribute and a damage add.

Both hit about the same if u put em 1h man, the dmg table is not that high, hibrid or rogue ..the style growth fro mthe dmg can make the diference and Amethist slash is better then any anytimer in midgard. Skald has dmg add=offensive, mincer has 70 melee dmg MHB 100%=defensive.

why in the nine hells would a skald use 1h? and no even then they wont hit the same. hybrid damage table > rogue damage table. higher strength + higher weapon spec + damage add.

also, dmg add > ablative
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Postby vangonaj » Feb 01, 2010 16:22

Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

You are a GANGER!


If you don´t know who im in game better don´t say this.

A friend of mine does. You GANGED him yesterday with your FG Mid stealthers.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I dont play my sb since 2 or 3 days. Yesterday i only played healer. Ill repeat you, if you dont know who i am better shut up.

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Postby Amadeth » Feb 01, 2010 16:22

Glacius wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

You are a GANGER!


If you don´t know who im in game better don´t say this.

A friend of mine does. You GANGED him yesterday with your FG Mid stealthers.

You friend payed the price for what your gimp realm did at amg 1 week ago camping with 10 stealthers. We will hunt your ass and kill any mincer inf scout again again and again .

I LAUGH AT YOU LOSER :P
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Postby Amadeth » Feb 01, 2010 16:22

vangonaj wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Amadeth wrote:
vangonaj wrote:
Satz wrote:No, he is not a viper3 user, doesnt have enough points for that because he needs to cover purge3 aswell. Hes the only SB i havent seen solo yet, even in agramon, always with another norse, frot or koby SB close by ready to add with BS.


I have enough points for have viper3, purge3 and more toys.

You are a GANGER!


If you don´t know who im in game better don´t say this.

A friend of mine does. You GANGED him yesterday with your FG Mid stealthers.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I dont play my sb since 2 or 3 days. Yesterday i only played healer. Ill repeat you, if you dont know who i am better shut up.

U LIE.
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