mythic didn't run any player forums either.

No it wasn't mythic sanctioined, neither is this entire server lol.

We also did server setup duels via the VN boards, which was essentially RP farming but fun for the poeple who didnt have a lot of time to play and liked to log on and try out there 1v1 skills.

My entire point of this thread is that people dont enjoy logging on to rvr and run around for 30 minutes or more wasting time to find out that no ones on. Like I said earlier, I dont need to know who or what or where, just IF there is anyone ON to fight. What could possibly be game ruining about that.

I guess I should point out that I am an American and that my peak times are very different from Uthgards, so Im making this post based on that fact. During primetime, I'm in IRC but I really dont care if people say they are out or not, I know they are, but when I try to form a group around 6 in the morning German time, it would be nice to know if there are any other Americans or someone else with a similar Time zone that is on and rvring. Or like I said earlier, if we need to get a replacement and need to let someone know not to log due to complete boredom because we are coming back out.

Thats why you do /who and see if there are more than just yourself on the server and then if there is, you go out to the rvr area and look around for yourself to see if anyone there.

rufi83 wrote:My entire point of this thread is that people dont enjoy logging on to rvr and run around for 30 minutes or more wasting time to find out that no ones on. Like I said earlier, I dont need to know who or what or where, just IF there is anyone ON to fight. What could possibly be game ruining about that.

Mate, this is a problem with OF, and it's wrong to use out-of-game means to solve problems that OF has brought. Instead (like many of us) ask the staff to either remove OF or customize it to suit Uthgard needs.

Plus all the stuff like Zippity mentioned like asking stealthers to scout for you etc.

Nymeros wrote:

rufi83 wrote:My entire point of this thread is that people dont enjoy logging on to rvr and run around for 30 minutes or more wasting time to find out that no ones on. Like I said earlier, I dont need to know who or what or where, just IF there is anyone ON to fight. What could possibly be game ruining about that.

Mate, this is a problem with OF, and it's wrong to use out-of-game means to solve problems that OF has brought. Instead (like many of us) ask the staff to either remove OF or customize it to suit Uthgard needs.

Plus all the stuff like Zippity mentioned like asking stealthers to scout for you etc.

Incorrect, low activity and the lack of knowing whether there's still enemies around also existed just as good in NF.

Saying these problems are caused by OF is completely wrong.

These problems are magnified by OF because of longer waiting timers to port. Checking action in NF was one click away.

Just the fact that we're seeing these topics now and not in NF is saying enough IMO.

Nymeros wrote:These problems are magnified by OF because of longer waiting timers to port. Checking action in NF was one click away.

Just the fact that we're seeing these topics now and not in NF is saying enough IMO.

community problem

seriously there is nothing wrong with the system

if the community would just embrace the casual gamers instead of catering to the leet 8v8 guilds who hate adds, siege fights etc.

but that is a change the 8v8 guilds have to do.. and doubt you wanna do that..

so tbh you are digging your own rvr grave imo

Once again, with OF it's taking longer to do anything in RvR - go out, wait for afkers, get info. Any community problems that exist have nothing to do with that.

nixian wrote:

Nymeros wrote:These problems are magnified by OF because of longer waiting timers to port. Checking action in NF was one click away.

Just the fact that we're seeing these topics now and not in NF is saying enough IMO.

community problem

seriously there is nothing wrong with the system

if the community would just embrace the casual gamers instead of catering to the leet 8v8 guilds who hate adds, siege fights etc.

but that is a change the 8v8 guilds have to do.. and doubt you wanna do that..

so tbh you are digging your own rvr grave imo

so your saying the 8v8 guilds have to start doing stuff they, as you put it, hate.
So basicly having to sacrifice what they find fun so others can have fun.
Doesnt really make alot of sense id say

Bach wrote:

nixian wrote:

Nymeros wrote:These problems are magnified by OF because of longer waiting timers to port. Checking action in NF was one click away.

Just the fact that we're seeing these topics now and not in NF is saying enough IMO.

community problem

seriously there is nothing wrong with the system

if the community would just embrace the casual gamers instead of catering to the leet 8v8 guilds who hate adds, siege fights etc.

but that is a change the 8v8 guilds have to do.. and doubt you wanna do that..

so tbh you are digging your own rvr grave imo

so your saying the 8v8 guilds have to start doing stuff they, as you put it, hate.
So basicly having to sacrifice what they find fun so others can have fun.
Doesnt really make alot of sense id say

no but they need to let others do it without mumbling in broad about how much they hate those who do it


who would do something if they got told again and again and again that they are hated and unwanted?

Its kinda funny how the whole blame is shifted onto the "leet 8v8 gvg players".Yep,those 40-50 people are so ****** powerfull and mindcontroling that those poor other 600+!!!! players can´t run into RvR cause of them.

Utterly ridicoulus if you ask me.If you want to search for reasons why RvR is dead, shifting blame is going to do nothing good.

Most of the "mumbling" in broad that I've seen has been things like, "thanks for the help guys couldn't have done it without you"...after a group of 20 added on a 8 versus 8 fight or something. Obviously they are not being sincere saying "thank you", but its far from degrading anyone.


And as someone who prefers the 8v8 play style, I don't mind zergs, not in the least. I don't like it when zergs add onto small fights, I think that's lame, but I, like most other I have observed, don't name call, at most I'll say something like, "thanks guys!!!"...


Personally I wish there were more consistent zergs more slowly (not speed 6ing into other smaller fights) running around emain for casual gamers to hop onto. It presents a new challenge, and the best 8 mans will roll those zergs at some point.


The 8v8 can move into Brief to avoid them if needed. And if the zerg isn't 2-4 setup groups running on speed 6, they aren't that hard to avoid.

Though a large enough zerg camping an MG and preventing that respective realm from passing is pretty lame imo.

Force wrote:Though a large enough zerg camping an MG and preventing that respective realm from passing is pretty lame imo.

Why do you think the home realms put walls near the enemies' telekeeps? Because they do not wish them to conquer their frontier land. Hence preventing an invading realm's army from passing through that wall is nothing but fine RvR-playstyle.

Additionally I would like to adress the fact that even /broad messages like "Thank you!!!" are a clear "omg do not add ffs!!!!11"-statement even if you try to use irony for that purpose. Thus they are in no way less unproductive.

Thanking someone for an add is a polite way of publicizing their actions. If you are taking offense to that, it means that you are attaching a negative connotation to those actions, not the person doing the thanking. Nothing wrong with giving thanks for help.


If being thanked for doing something makes you feel awkward, maybe you should consider not doing that thing.



I don't think zergs blocking a specific realm from RvRing is a violation or anything, im just saying I think its lame. That's an opinion, broseph.

Force wrote:Thanking someone for an add is a polite way of publicizing their actions. If you are taking offense to that, it means that you are attaching a negative connotation to those actions, not the person doing the thanking. Nothing wrong with giving thanks for help.


If being thanked for doing something makes you feel awkward, maybe you should consider not doing that thing.

The way you descriped it you definitely are meaning it ironically. Hence you say one thing but in fact you mean another one. In this case you say "Thank you!!!" but you mean "zomfg adders wtf lol!!!!11". That is exactly the player's attitude that is often spoken about. I only wanted to point that using irony in this case does not help anything.

Force wrote:I don't think zergs blocking a specific realm from RvRing is a violation or anything...

Neither did I...

Force wrote:..., im just saying I think its lame. That's an opinion, broseph.

...and I never said anything different. I simply do not share your opinion and simply took the liberty to say so, sis'.