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Postby poplik » May 19, 2009 00:36

I think the milegates are part of the map so they can't be removed. Imho if you don't want to reintroduce camp we can only change map, too many chokepoints here.

Basicaly now what it looks like - you roam, empty agramon, you come to one of bridges BAM three groups in row

so it's either nothing or zerg
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Postby Blue » May 19, 2009 00:37

Schwede wrote:
Blue wrote:I wonder what would happen if we close one milegate on every side. Camping & zerging?


If it's possible remove the milegate structures completely and make the passages clear.

What you say is the opposite of what I suggested. Removing milegates is the same as keeping them open, isnt it?
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Postby Zaraki » May 19, 2009 00:38

Nammoth wrote:
I still stand by what I said when camps were removed: "This is an awesome change but Uthgard community is too lazy." only this time it goes not only to soloers and smallman groups, but to 8man aswell. I guess something needs to be done, because this way human stupidity, laziness and stubbornness will destroy the server.


You're forgetting that DAOC is a GAME. People want to have fun in a game, not to actually WORK few hours in a game to have some fun. Most people already have a job, they don't need another one.



Ok.

let me put it to you this way:

It takes more time to find inc now > the reason is lower population in lvl 50 rvr > the population in rvr is lower because it takes longer to find inc now>... it goes like that for a while. The problem are the people who got it in their heads that rvring without camps is impossible. If you had an alternative to camps (Like teleports that have been suggested) I bet ya it wouldn't improve the situation much, because people got it in their heads that with no camps the agramon is empty. Ironically it is because well, those people are missing :D And no, you can't have that big zone with a part of people that used to be in rvr missing, plus the longterm Uthgard problem which is 80-90% of the population exping their 10851085th toon, or playing BG's with that toon, or crafting...
The world will look up and shout "Save us!"...and I'll whisper "NO U."

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Postby Schwede » May 19, 2009 00:40

Blue wrote:
Schwede wrote:
Blue wrote:I wonder what would happen if we close one milegate on every side. Camping & zerging?


If it's possible remove the milegate structures completely and make the passages clear.

What you say is the opposite of what I suggested. Removing milegates is the same as keeping them open, isnt it?


If they're permanently opened they serve no purpose hence could be removed completely :wink:

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Postby Blue » May 19, 2009 00:41

What would make sense is a dynamic solution depending on how many kills are made in NF per 30 minutes or so. But what happens at each level of activity is not known yet.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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Postby Nammoth » May 19, 2009 00:47

Well atleast we all gave some ideas :P

Is there any possibility you could implement some of the above mentioned changes? Make some kind of ingame or forum poll about these changes to get community feedback. If the feedback is postivie, just leave them, if it isn't well we can just restore newly implemented changes ?

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Postby Schwede » May 19, 2009 00:48

Imo the home towers in Agramon opening/closing milegates was a great option when we had it. As it is the xp bonuses are close to meaningless since exping there is too dangerous, even for a RvR zone. The only time I see expers on /who agra in NF/Agramon is during weary hours or when one realm dominated RvR to the point where others logged off (which lasts a few hours tops). The XP potential of those zones is too hard to make practical use of.

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Postby Nammoth » May 19, 2009 00:53

Schwede wrote:Imo the home towers in Agramon opening/closing milegates was a great option when we had it. As it is the xp bonuses are close to meaningless since exping there is too dangerous, even for a RvR zone. The only time I see expers on /who agra in NF/Agramon is during weary hours or when one realm dominated RvR to the point where others logged off (which lasts a few hours tops). The XP potential of those zones is too hard to make practical use of.


I concur, with new camps in hadrians/odins/emain these camps are even more obsolete. Maybe get input from some XP-ers :) ?

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Postby Melodexx » May 19, 2009 01:51

what is the point for this rvr stables/horse roads..?

if ure solo or something u need 10min to get to the enemys bridge then /cheer u wait ur time for a inc..
(if u not get kicked before from some fg what actually is the most time)

a solo inc on a horse /face root root = resist resist..
u cant root them

its like the port insta to agra.. a bit

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Postby panachier » May 19, 2009 01:52

i appology , the RvR situation is totaly my fault... i have lot of work at the moment so i can't loggin. And the alb players do not go anymore in RvR without me to help them. and so it lacks of enemies for hib and me that loggout quickly.


so maybe setting back the tower and closing gates could be a nice choice. at least till i get some more free time.
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Postby Melodexx » May 19, 2009 02:52

panachier wrote:i appology , the RvR situation is totaly my fault... i have lot of work at the moment so i can't loggin. And the alb players do not go anymore in RvR without me to help them.


ofc thats why on relic inc 4 fg spawn instant in our keep oO

@topic....... at the moment i like the albs more then hibs i found more of them solo/duo then hibs

i started a thread where nobody add a comment about different places in 1 zone for a split rvr community but i think uthgard havent a bgi community that read the forums....

funny how a fg follow zubasa and me to megalodon just to kill us oO

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Postby Zarkor » May 19, 2009 03:15

Hello everyone, here's another alternative to the Agramon RvR issue, please take a look:
http://uthgard-server.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10985

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Postby Nammoth » May 19, 2009 19:39

@Blue 19:38 now, not a single killspam in 60 minutes. Is this how it's supposed to be ?

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Postby Blue » May 19, 2009 21:05

OK, Nammoth I logon and we will see.

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[21:08:53] @@[LFG] Cuccilotta (49, Blademaster in Tir na Nog): "thid "
[21:08:53] @@[LFG] Curri (45, Runemaster): "exp "
[21:09:02] @@You send, "now" to Xbones
[21:09:19] @@[GMCall] Xbones: "ty"
[21:09:21] @@[LFG] Thungil (17, Savage in Darkness Falls): "will in ne Gruppe wo exp gelevelt werden "
[21:09:40] Sestes was just killed by Rhaell in Agramon.
[21:09:45] Seattle was just killed by Pestilenzia in Agramon.
[21:09:55] Thanou was just killed by Reyok in Agramon.
[21:09:55] @@Xbones schickt die Nachricht: "you are Blue ???"
[21:09:59] Xmcbealx was just killed by Aiuta in Agramon.
[21:10:17] @@[LFG] Wohlraj (49, Savage in Thidranki): "LF skald thid PST "
[21:10:18] Alepalouf was just killed by Pestilenzia in Agramon.
[21:10:28] The tower Dun Crauchon Outpost is upgraded to level 6!
[21:10:40] @@[LFG] Nost (24, Berserker in Darkness Falls): "Thungil is searching Sparetire "
[21:10:46] Aiuta was just killed by Erowin in Agramon.
[21:10:50] Diabloo was just killed by Reyok in Agramon.
[21:10:57] Reyok was just killed by Erowin in Agramon.
[21:11:09] @@[LFG] Drinkduff (50, Druid): "rvr "
[21:11:10] @@[GMCall] Xbones: "have you time for chat group? Blue/ Thrydon"
[21:11:11] Rhaell was just killed by Mylycya in Agramon.
[21:11:14] @@[LFG] Jugrnaut (8, Ranger in Muire Tomb): "lfg muire,. "
[21:11:18] Kyba was just killed by Batambois in Agramon.
[21:11:21] @@[LFG] Zalox (36, Shadowblade in Vale of Mularn): "36 SB lfg!! =) "
[21:11:25] Diabloo was just killed by Rabauke in Agramon.
[21:11:25] Erowin was just killed by Butcher in Agramon.
[21:11:47] Tulys was just killed by Pestilenzia in Agramon.
[21:11:53] Mylycya was just killed by Rabauke in Agramon.
[21:11:57] Schmezzy was just killed by Butcher in Agramon.
[21:11:58] Alepalouf was just killed by Rabauke in Agramon.
[21:12:09] Batambois was just killed by Rector in Agramon.
[21:12:15] Eolna was just killed by Rabauke in Agramon.
[21:12:25] @@[LFG] Thungil (17, Savage in Darkness Falls): "search group "
[21:12:42] @@[LFG] Wohlraj (49, Savage in Thidranki): "Looking for Skald thid "
[21:12:49] @@[LFG] Kedaj (31, Blademaster in Coruscating Mine): "any pbae class lfg around level 30? "
[21:13:08] Xbones was just killed by Griselda in Irish Sea.
[21:13:16] Xbones was just killed by Juvez in Irish Sea.
[21:13:18] @@[LFG] Celetais (42, Animist in Wilton): "rvr wilton "
[21:13:25] Elvirson was just killed by Griselda in Agramon.
[21:13:28] @@[LFG] Hahsh (47, Blademaster in Thidranki): "thid "
[21:13:30] @@[LFG] Cuccilotta (49, Blademaster in Thidranki): "thid "
[21:13:37] Eredo was just killed by Dohko in Irish Sea.
[21:13:40] Pestilenzia was just killed by Farah in Agramon.
[21:13:51] Thorik was just killed by Griselda in Irish Sea.
[21:13:54] Elvirson was just killed by Darkstorm in Agramon.
[21:14:05] Valador was just killed by Griselda in Irish Sea.
[21:14:05] Flump was just killed by Griselda in Irish Sea.
[21:14:07] Ferikath was just killed by Darkstorm in Irish Sea.
[21:14:10] @@[LFG] Dibaffz (10, Savage in Vale of Mularn): ". "
[21:14:10] Ace was just killed by Juvez in Irish Sea.
[21:14:28] Your character has been saved.
[21:15:05] @@[GMCall] Gazuka: "a friends forgot his account password what can he do?"
[21:15:39] @@[LFG] Crossfire (50, Savage in Agramon): "ALB/HIB seeking for men "
[21:15:51] @@[LFG] Glaaki (50, Warrior in Uppland): "what "
[21:15:54] Oktagon was just killed by Farah in Agramon.
[21:15:55] Aiuta was just killed by Farah in Agramon.
[21:15:57] Farah was just killed by Reyok in Agramon.
[21:16:01] @@[LFG] Ekopain (29, Spiritmaster in Darkness Falls): "lfg DF "
[21:16:04] Crossfire was just killed by Blastas in Agramon.
[21:16:40] Reyok was just killed by Laurys in Agramon.


It seems you had very bad luck at the time you was there? Nonetheless I think its problematic that our area system does not work in Agramon and kill messages are quite unspecific.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later.

"It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something
is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure."


Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard"
Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand"

[Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????"
BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

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Postby vxoe » May 19, 2009 21:28

This is for the moderator BLUE....

I do not get it why we are not get taking serious, it seems almost your moccing with the fact about our complains. This post above this 1 just proves my point even more. We just tried to explain to you that we didnt have action for 3 hours and that we had to raid the relic keep in order to get some action. You didnt log on in the whole 3 hours we whined about no action, but yet after we whined about the relic you log on and get all the killspam on your chat and on your thread. All those kills you list there are kills made by the zerg vs zerg fight yesterday at the relic keep after the 3 hours of no action. Give us some real feedback or dont give us anything at all. Thats my oppinion, we sure dont moc the fact that gm's are doign a lousy job atm on uthgard, then moderators on forums atleast could listen and dont give replies like you did that doesnt even concern the topic ive written here. I hope i didnt offend anyone by posting this but this is just the thruth and nothing else bout the thruth. Uthgard is going down in fast rate and you are just laughing the issue away!

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