Runis wrote:

Hildorien wrote:Dıd you think why uthgard have mb dmg,pa or another advantages.If you make it normal,everybody wont create infi/ns/sb .And ppl can play another group chars and agramon can have more group fights.
I think this is the easy way to fix stealther problem.
We wanna just login to game and fight a bit.Please think it again;)

Yea, remove all stealther clases, maybe we have more Group RvR, lol

And yes, stealthers are a problem, because they can run stealthed. lol

Cmon the only thing that you want the camp is to kite and use the guards in ways that they should not be used. Open RvR is the most fair rvr that can be. Take a boat and get used to it.

I didnt say remove stealthers.But if you wanna understand my words this way,you can.
I like stealthers in game.Dont understand all words what you want.

For solo this new change is good... it's like Official server wherel you can solo really easily like that, camping a bridge, camping in a teleport keep or camping a boat start/arrived.


It's just for groups that it will be worse on low affluence days.

Not sure if it's been mentioned here, but I read Blue's response about rez sickness... What about pre-toa Glasny?

She would come down the stairs every 10 minutes, and port people to whatever necklace they were wearing. They had mile-gate necklaces... why not? I prefer the old timed teleportation, as it was more realistic (as far as realism can go) for teleporting. It HAS to take alot of power, so single and multitudinous teleports should be less frequent on a timer.

Ranius wrote:And there is no sense in running with horse and getting PA'ed by a super skilled stealther.

Exactly. I dont get really angry about most things but this one really ****** me off! Example. my 40s lvl group wanted to exp today. Okay, ride horse to exp spot right? Wrong! Cross the bridge on horse. First guy PA with poison...dead.. Second attacked and killed. Third... Fourth. We were only lvl 37-44 but lets just say our entire group died. Good freaking jobs guys! Ruin the game.... im so freaking ****** that this crap!
Oh, if you look at the people that say they like the changes...nearly all of them are stealthers. Yeah! We have all our kills come to us cause there is only 2 ways to get to agra now! Bridge or boat. 90% will take bridge so i can just camp all day. Yeah....real fun for the rest of the non stealther classes.

Well ill tell you my experience for today:

1. Logged in.
2. Looked at change log
3. Felt very tired.
4. Went to sleep
5. Came back to computer after 1 hour of sleep, realised daoc has closed and did some homework instead.

Agramon is just plain boring. Weve had it for nearly 2 years? Its dull, I think i'd rather watch paint dry. I would love old emain, but I dont think its possible. And I dont know of any other RvR zone that would be the least bit more exiting.

This new system cause some big problems for the player who haven't speed and who play in the night for the low server population. The best way to move in RvR if no speed in group is using horse or boat... but you have to pay in bps.. what about if you haven't bps (like expers)? ^^

PS: a good idea can be enable personal horse in main rvr zone.

Eclipsed wrote:On classic live, was there a agramon camp for players, was there a teleporter to agramon for players. If you answer no, then there should be no discussion on this change.

Classic Live, isn't the real Classic. Classic Live still has new zones and such, and tbh, if Uthgard, and Classic Live, were really classic, there'd be no Agramon zone, even if they decided to get rid of Agramon, NF isn't really classic either.

DarkRef wrote:Well ill tell you my experience for today:

1. Logged in.
2. Looked at change log
3. Felt very tired.
4. Went to sleep
5. Came back to computer after 1 hour of sleep, realised daoc has closed and did some homework instead.

Agramon is just plain boring. Weve had it for nearly 2 years? Its dull, I think i'd rather watch paint dry. I would love old emain, but I dont think its possible. And I dont know of any other RvR zone that would be the least bit more exiting.

yeah maybe old emain as a map can be discoused but i never ever want to get old ra system implemented i just hate it. My point of view so the gms do not only here yeah old ra system. I think old ra system realy realy realy suxx balls.

It was fun last night when I was playing 8 Man but I didnt like feeding Eshee rps when she PAed me on the horse 3 times.

Maybe make horses like the boats and make you unattackable or unable to knock you off the horse if attacked?


Just give people a chance to reach Agramon.

8 man is easy but soloing is just feeding the already powerfull players free rps.

Thanks

Denasti wrote:... but I didnt like feeding Eshee rps when she PAed me on the horse 3 times.

Maybe make horses like the boats and make you unattackable or unable to knock you off the horse if attacked?


Just give people a chance to reach Agramon.

You really NEED a horse to reach Agramon?
Wow ok. Than its very unfair that you can be knocked off from the horse.... NOT.

Sorry, but why you MUST ride by horse to Agramon?
You also can go by feet?
Then you have a normal 1on1 chance vs. the camping stealthers on bridges or somewhere else. Dont know why all of you think that the only way to arive to Agramon is by Horse...

So next time try it. With Hastenerspeed you are fast enough and you can also recognize if another stealther is around...

And if there is more than one ?

Anyway, horse or not, it's just retarded that we MUST go through an unique bridge that anyone can camp.

boohoo, they took my instant teleport to gratification area...

Honestly, its a ~2min run from a keep to agra now, if you dont boat/horse ofc. Agreed the boats could work better. but hey, classic daoc was all about chokepoints, stealthspots, and whats the diff between a bridge and camping a milegate (sure there were 2! but could get stealther at both?). As I see it, there is no more chance to run in and out of camp to nuke at MG just to rush back to camp once it goes badly.

My 5cents, this is a good change. Dont be lazy, work for the rp's

You should also not forget that tonight many people are celebrating the first of March, at least in Europe.

You mean first of may

Ayjub wrote:

Denasti wrote:... but I didnt like feeding Eshee rps when she PAed me on the horse 3 times.

Maybe make horses like the boats and make you unattackable or unable to knock you off the horse if attacked?


Just give people a chance to reach Agramon.

You really NEED a horse to reach Agramon?
Wow ok. Than its very unfair that you can be knocked off from the horse.... NOT.

Sorry, but why you MUST ride by horse to Agramon?
You also can go by feet?
Then you have a normal 1on1 chance vs. the camping stealthers on bridges or somewhere else. Dont know why all of you think that the only way to arive to Agramon is by Horse...

So next time try it. With Hastenerspeed you are fast enough and you can also recognize if another stealther is around...

I find this response not very helpful. Why are the horse merchants still in the game, if people can get killed on them. No horses to agramon... or change it.