Well its evade 3 vs evade 7

Each evade gives u 5%

And now u spec dodge ...

And dont forget Duel Wield reduces evade chanced... so infi,ns = duel wield vs hunter = 2h ... hm^^

Bow: True sight once in 30min .. well thats sure funny to play.

wayne evade skill for assasins, they allready have cap evade cause of detaunting (seems like a bug imo) so dodger wouldnt make sense for them.

Actually huge amount of stuff would be gimped. Augment Stats would be weaker then NF, ignore pain would seriously suck, Mastery of pain, mastery of blocking and parrying would be ALOT worse then NF.

And one thing noone mentioned - tanks with stoicism. Friend and i discussed this and we think savage would be way to OP. OF deter reduces duration for 75%, stoicism 25%.

25%+75%= hint ?

Basically you have useless bard and useless ministrel.

Friends druid has movie where savage 2 shots him (keep in mind hes lvl50, rr4, full sced druid). Now imagine savage that cant be CCed. Way OP.

Another thing. IMO evade doesnt work as it should atm. Its way way too strong. For example, i had hero with 50+16 block, mob3, i would block maybe 1 of 10 infi/sb hits. But Infi/sb would evade almost 50-60% of my swings. Give them more evades and that would be awesome (for them ofcourse).

savage dont have stoicism ^^ but afaik in of there wasnt the ability stoicism so.. ^^ and evade is capped at 50% assasins got evade cap allready now.

and why is ip senseless? u need to spend half of the points and get 100% ip ? ^^

100% det .
Stoicism was introduced with NF RAs. Thats the reason why the new det5 is lower than the old one. But back then the tanks that have now stoicism were the only one that could specc det at all.

malle wrote:savage dont have stoicism ^^

Are you sure? As I remember they have.

jap they do.
http://www.camelotherald.com/article.php?id=5

It would be fair if they don't, but hell, it's a mid class.

They dont have instants to rupt. So they are fulltanks. -> fulldet (OF) or Stoicism (NF)

warden/infi/SB/archers have no insta to rupt but they can spec melee and they are not full tank...

there is no real difference between a savage and a reaver... one insta self buff other one insta debuff...

panachier wrote:warden/infi/SB/archers have no insta to rupt but they can spec melee and they are not full tank...

So why are you comparing them ?

panachier wrote:there is no real difference between a savage and a reaver... one insta self buff other one insta debuff...

You're either clueless about reavers or savages... or both.

they got it with 1.83 so they dont have it on uth afaik^^

Blabla don't look just at your own class, others loose stuff too.

Yes but look at Hiberniangrpsetup:

Warden Ressis: No need of Ressis - just take grppurge / AM
AoG: Not anymore
VR: Not anymore
RR5: Not anymore
TWF: is uselesse already -> Determination stops the at getting snared senseful

Hibernia would better invite a 3rd Druid or a seccond Bard than a Warden. There were these people already who just took a Warden because of high RR reasons.

I am a grp player and I made everything for the grp, I specced for it or respecced for it.

The good NF RAs are working fine. A step back too old RAs is like give us back old emain, I had fun those times - but don't look at the negative consequences of it. Maybe your class has more luck, but I guess that there have to be more classes that have the same problem.

I adress at all those who don't like old RAs post it here - tell those who think the same too also take part of the vote and vote no!



Duke

omg duke !

warden got the cc resists (the most important of all resists)
warden got base buffs
warden got pbt
warden is decent rupt
warden can heal - not compareable with a druid ,but they do
and twf is another thing that´s making the class very attractive for groups.
it´s such a versatile class that running without it would spell certain doom for the group vs. a decent setup.

why shouldn´t you want one with your group ?

you shouldn´t judge classes just by looking at their active ra´s^^

you still got the same ammount of specpoint - you still get the same by speccing the same there is no difference at all . the only difference is that you get stripped active ra´s that you should never have gotten in the first place.

Amen Salbei.