virulent- wrote:well first of all ur comparing dark dawn's tank setup vs ur guild's...apples and oranges no offense.

My guild is currently running the no-cloth tank group, which I would recommend to nobody, ever. I was comparing DD's setup to a very slight variation that I think would be relatively effective in a pug situation.

virulent- wrote:also to factor into the equation, they did it when the server was still new and there wasnt mid/hib casters with moc/purge etc. if dark dawn ran that pally setup in today's uth 2 they would definitely run into some trouble. u are quite delusional if u think an alb tank is anywhere remotely close to as powerful as alb caster. and if u beat monkas/rebirth/astro group with ur tank setup i will personally give u 1 platinum piece (aka it will never happen).

No point in arguing here, you have your experiences and I have mine. I never suggested I think an Alb tank group is superior to a hybrid, or caster. While we enjoy playing hybrid setups (and do, whenever one of our Minsts is away), we're trying to stick it out and see how far this comp can go. Hopefully we can catch <monkaS> when they aren't running 5 natty!

virulent- wrote:looking at the incguild site, ur guild 8man is averaging 10k-20k per player in 3 days. plz stick to pve and don't talk about rvr strats ever again.

Reasonable numbers considering we only run for a few hours, three nights a week, during low-NA time, no? I would be more surprised if we hadn't been losing most of our fights, considering a month ago we were almost all on RR1 chars, hadn't really played together at all, and have been running a silly comp. Uthgard is the least appropriate DAoC server for egos. Considering the group quality across the server, I'm surprised anyone is playing for bragging rights. We're all here because we have fun playing DAoC, and the devs have done an excellent job creating and maintaining this server.

kpax wrote:Well thx alot for the constructive thoughts about setups. But i played mostly hib and the reason why i transfered to alb is that it challenges me to compete to the strong hib and mid grps which dominate atm the server obviously.

I have my reasons for the setup and dont want talk about setup and strategys here.

usually i am favoring more 2 minstrel (44thrust/50instruments) then 1minst/theu

and dont forget that 2 good hib setups run 2 mentalist with severing tether .

And the beauty of daoc ,there is never the best setup. Each setup requires different playing strategys. I proved so many times ppl who didnt belive my setups. Before uth2 started ppl were talking caster setup would have 0 chance, and guess what setup on hib succeed the most .

If i hopefully find 7 other players with no fear to challenge new ideas, this can be rly strong. And if anyone want come from hib/mid to alb to make this happen,i can wait 1 week,thats np

good luck trying to find a thrust minstrel, let alone 2...most minstrels go slash so they can be versatile in solo/smallman/stealth as well as 8man. but yea paper daoc wise thrust minstrel is the way to go for 8man.

honestly doesnt matter what spec the 2 minstrels in group are once they have sos/ip/purge (especially adding ap2 to the mix) cus then they can alternate incs as one can go super aggro with purge/ip on stun debuff on their back line while the other plays more passive to sos group within range incase it's needed and vice versa.

Aelred wrote:Reasonable numbers considering we only run for a few hours, three nights a week, during low-NA time, no? I would be more surprised if we hadn't been losing most of our fights, considering a month ago we were almost all on RR1 chars, hadn't really played together at all, and have been running a silly comp. Uthgard is the least appropriate DAoC server for egos. Considering the group quality across the server, I'm surprised anyone is playing for bragging rights. We're all here because we have fun playing DAoC, and the devs have done an excellent job creating and maintaining this server.

reasonable numbers considering u only run a few hours? lame excuse, cus i see the death spam when u guys are out 8manning and u lose 99% of ur fights. if u won more or at least half ur fights, u would be getting way more rps. also, half ur squad's characters as u mentioned have been created on the server since uth 2 released, so if u guys are all still rank 1 for over a year then u have more problems than u know. this is a hardcore classic freeshard with no QoL, anyone who plays uth 2 (especially 8v8 as it's considered competitive daoc) does it for bragging rights...don't kid urself.

virulent- wrote:

kpax wrote:Well thx alot for the constructive thoughts about setups. But i played mostly hib and the reason why i transfered to alb is that it challenges me to compete to the strong hib and mid grps which dominate atm the server obviously.

I have my reasons for the setup and dont want talk about setup and strategys here.

usually i am favoring more 2 minstrel (44thrust/50instruments) then 1minst/theu

and dont forget that 2 good hib setups run 2 mentalist with severing tether .

And the beauty of daoc ,there is never the best setup. Each setup requires different playing strategys. I proved so many times ppl who didnt belive my setups. Before uth2 started ppl were talking caster setup would have 0 chance, and guess what setup on hib succeed the most .

If i hopefully find 7 other players with no fear to challenge new ideas, this can be rly strong. And if anyone want come from hib/mid to alb to make this happen,i can wait 1 week,thats np

good luck trying to find a thrust minstrel, let alone 2...most minstrels go slash so they can be versatile in solo/smallman/stealth as well as 8man. but yea paper daoc wise thrust minstrel is the way to go for 8man.

honestly doesnt matter what spec the 2 minstrels in group are once they have sos/ip/purge (especially adding ap2 to the mix) cus then they can alternate incs as one can go super aggro with purge/ip on stun debuff on their back line while the other plays more passive to sos group within range incase it's needed and vice versa.

definetly agree.....thrust is more for perfectionist like me and paper daoc addicts ...but definetly also possible with slash minstrel...

Stevie wrote:Why is Drastic giving any 8v8 input when he is a garbage minstrel that nobody runs/ran and then proceeded to add on every 8v8 fight?

You insta stunned tanks in groups and never got invited again. Stay in your lane soloing XPers and adding on fights.

Someone's upset they got added on

@Aelrad

You guys should regularly try friar in setup. Heat/cold resist vs caster groups is strong and also the added power bar for healing really does help a bit vs other tank groups who have 3-5 seers. Any decent tank group will simply out last you on healing power.

Seers: Cleric, Cleric, Friar
Cheese: Minst, Minst
Tanks: Merc, Merc, Reaver (or other melee)

That's what i've always wanted to try out, but no one plays tanks on Alb. And hardly anyone plays Alb NA time.

Oh and i'd like to add i'm the best and everyone else is trash /s

Pretty much half the posts in this thread lol.

I see your point of view, Drastic. We'll just each keep having fun here in our own ways.

Ardri wrote:You guys should regularly try friar in setup. Heat/cold resist vs caster groups is strong and also the added power bar for healing really does help a bit vs other tank groups who have 3-5 seers. Any decent tank group will simply out last you on healing power

Completely agree, Friar is my favourite way to run it as well. We had one for our first few nights, but RL took over and we ended up repping them with another tank. We'll be running a Friar here and there going forwards, but hopefully we can get one in regularly after not too long.

Atm our set group is your suggestion, but with an Arms instead of Friar. Most important thing is to have guys play what they want, so I'm not too worried about running the most competitive version of this ridiculous comp, even if Friars are tons of fun!

We've been finding it's not too difficult to overwhelm Mid tankers, but Hib tankers with Wardens are just brutal!

Aelred wrote:I see your point of view, Drastic. We'll just each keep having fun here in our own ways.

Ardri wrote:You guys should regularly try friar in setup. Heat/cold resist vs caster groups is strong and also the added power bar for healing really does help a bit vs other tank groups who have 3-5 seers. Any decent tank group will simply out last you on healing power

Completely agree, Friar is my favourite way to run it as well. We had one for our first few nights, but RL took over and we ended up repping them with another tank. We'll be running a Friar here and there going forwards, but hopefully we can get one in regularly after not too long.

Atm our set group is your suggestion, but with an Arms instead of Friar. Most important thing is to have guys play what they want, so I'm not too worried about running the most competitive version of this ridiculous comp, even if Friars are tons of fun!

We've been finding it's not too difficult to overwhelm Mid tankers, but Hib tankers with Wardens are just brutal!

Yea, the hib 5 naturalist 3 tank setup is the most braindead retard push comp in the game. And they're all rr9 playing the same chars for 1+ year. It's sad really. The key is to sos mid fight and all assist to burst down a druid.

friar + 1 cleric is really nice but no one plays friar. just the resists alone is good enough...then to top it off with anytime dehaste and reliable long lasting side snares. great asset!

virulent- wrote:best is 2 cleric, 2 minstrel, 2 cab, 1 sorc, 1 theurg. I INVENTED this setup about 2 months ago and it's been proven to defeat all the sh1tt3r 8man hibs/mids (including the 8man hibs/mids that think they are good). ur welcome.

Glad you here for us then.

virulent- wrote:best is 2 cleric, 2 minstrel, 2 cab, 1 sorc, 1 theurg. i invented this setup about 2 months ago and it's been proven to defeat all the sh1tt3r 8man hibs/mids (including the 8man hibs/mids that think they are good). ur welcome.

stt + moc...... ur welcome

Kavarn wrote:

virulent- wrote:best is 2 cleric, 2 minstrel, 2 cab, 1 sorc, 1 theurg. i invented this setup about 2 months ago and it's been proven to defeat all the sh1tt3r 8man hibs/mids (including the 8man hibs/mids that think they are good). ur welcome.

stt + moc...... ur welcome

With Emotes he win for sure ^^

virulent- wrote:

ntc wrote:reliance on SoS is a faulty strategy.

two tanks in alb is needed, pref arms/merc, therg, cab, sorc, minst. these two minst groups are for memes only.

full caster alb is way more powerful than hybrid, especially in today's rvr where everyone is higher rank with moc etc. even 1 minstrel 5 caster 2 cleric (assuming the players have chemistry and the casters don't get caught on inc like idiots) is way better than buds 1.0 hybrid setup.

only reason why buds hybrid used to win fights is cus the mids n hibs back then were lower rank and pbuk/keeibsy carried the team while u guys collected free rps. also, u weren't even in the starting lineup...u were 2nd or 3rd string.

don't get it twisted, nerdcake.

That was buds 2.0, actually and for the record keeibsy only played for about a month.

My boy ntc joined later on and was first string when he did.


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