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Titysios
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Postby Titysios » Nov 22, 2013 05:09

oLd-Sneakers wrote:
Cjasca wrote:Just got him again...also standing but -10% from remedy only ;D


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Looks like 11% slash resists.

He is not even templated in other words.

Whats the point of going emain non-template ?
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Postby VadosRockt » Nov 22, 2013 12:09

for the challenge
Möge die Macht mit dir
sein, Harry Potter.

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Vados ist ein einfach planbares Druidensystem mit einem einheitlichen Design und einer Vielzahl an modularen Lösungen für die individuelle, flexible und effiziente Strukturierung von RvR-Situationen.

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Postby Calatin » Nov 22, 2013 13:32

It was Vados himself, so let him :D
He likes to die

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Postby Ilerget » Nov 22, 2013 17:45

u dont get it, right?
u need to be templeted to go emain if u want to win, otherwise u dont need it at all :P
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and I'm coming after you.

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Postby Force » Nov 23, 2013 00:19

svperstar wrote:If he was sitting and has already been pointed out he is not fully templated then I can easily see 1k dmg on a BSII




That attack should not have been able to do more than 710 damage based on the Back Stab II style damage cap which we are of course missing. It did 1320 lol

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Postby Darkart » Dec 22, 2013 22:58

removed cant review post, pic at top of page is messing up message box for me. :)

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Postby Sethor » Dec 23, 2013 00:50

That's what Shadowblades are supposed to be good at. Excel at killing squishy targets when wielding a 2 handed sword. Back in the good old times prior to something like 1.4X assassins didn't even get unstealthed when oneshotting squishy targets. Playing a Critblade limits your range of targets a lot and you can prevent getting ganked with these simple rules:

1) Use propper equipment
2) Running around solo as a caster/squishy target makes you a formidable target
3) Never ever sit in a RvR area

I'm glad that playing a Critblade finally feels like it did in Classic times.
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Postby warl » Dec 23, 2013 15:31

actually the pa dmg isnt live like... should be much higher with 2h

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Force
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Postby Force » Dec 24, 2013 10:25

No, 2 hand PA style damage should be the same as 1 hand PA style damage. And uthgard is missing the appropriate damage caps for PA and Backstab so you can do many times the damage that should be cap.

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Postby oLd-Sneakers » Dec 28, 2013 15:40

Force wrote:No, 2 hand PA style damage should be the same as 1 hand PA style damage. And uthgard is missing the appropriate damage caps for PA and Backstab so you can do many times the damage that should be cap.


Don't know about that buddy.

The guy had 11% slash resis and he was most likely sitting down.

Style dmg gets boosted alot when you hit sitting targets.

On my infil I rarely hit a PA over 600 dmg these days, using 3.9 spd rapier - now I have to mention I am not rr5 and my weapons are 99 qu so I do not get 16.5 value DPS.

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Postby Nef Melody » Dec 29, 2013 15:34

well, the uthgard dmg caps are completely broken in general.
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Postby MotionSick » Dec 29, 2013 19:44

i tested 2h dmg in mid and live. was identical from what i was seeing

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Postby Magicco » Dec 29, 2013 23:03

MotionSick wrote:i tested 2h dmg in mid and live. was identical from what i was seeing


Than it is wrong implemented on Uth.
It was changed later, you can find it in the patch-notes, that they boosted 2h PA

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Postby Force » Dec 30, 2013 00:31

Don't know about that buddy.

The guy had 11% slash resis and he was most likely sitting down.

Style dmg gets boosted alot when you hit sitting targets.

On my infil I rarely hit a PA over 600 dmg these days, using 3.9 spd rapier - now I have to mention I am not rr5 and my weapons are 99 qu so I do not get 16.5 value DPS.



1H and 2H on live 1.69 use the exact same style damage formula, which (along with the unstyled formula which gives 2H slightly more damage) places a cap on how hard you can hit someone, even if they are sitting with no armor. Uthgard appears to not have any cap at all, which is completely wrong.


tl;dr PA is totally broken on uthgard, and apparently is especially broken for 2H.

Than it is wrong implemented on Uth.
It was changed later, you can find it in the patch-notes, that they boosted 2h PA


The formulas and links to the wayback machine source is listed in the bug report for PA damage caps in the bug report section as well.

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Postby kinthos » Jan 01, 2014 20:15

It's not the same, I did 1500+ pas with 2h frequently on live (on standing casters). It was the slow champion 2hander - can't remember stats but was slow.

Without the boost, 2h dmg should still be better than 1h pa. Otherwise why would you use it? The 2nd hit is basically an eternity to come even with haste on a slow 2h so thats the trade off for the increased damage.
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